On 26/06/18 00:20, Tom Robinson via luv-main wrote:
> On 26/06/18 00:03, Rohan McLeod wrote:
>> /start rant
>> and turn a promising optical  fibre-network;
>>  into a mediocre piece of crap.....gees thanks Malcom !
>> end rant /

Not a truer conclusion.

>> Normally the NBN will not deal directly with customers,
>> all the support is expected to occur through the relevant ISP.
>> Will Internode be your ISP when you connect via the NBN ?
>>
> 
> My apologies. We're getting FTTN with VDSL.
> 
> The Internode sales guy insisted that I would have to hire my own
> cabling contractor should there be any issues with cabling between my
> house and the Node. I tried to explain to him that currently Telstra
> maintain the wires all the way to the socket on the wall but he kept
> saying that they wouldn't do that. Well, it's not quite true as some of
> the wires are now actually NBN wires but when the Telstra Tech's have
> been here before to fix issues and they test all the bits between the
> socket on the wall down to the node and then to the exchange.

With FTTN, you will have a copper pair to your home or the MDF (if you
have an MDF -- essentially a termination point other than a phone socket).

Your copper line will pass the NBN data to the VDSL modem.  The NBN via
the ISP will be responsible for EVERYTHING up to that first socket; if
they supply you with the VDSL modem, then they are responsible for that
as well (at least for an acceptable duration as can be considered a
reasonable lifetime according to the ACCC's position on acceptable
consumer warranty (other than that which the supplier might claim).

> <rant id=tom>This whole experience has just confirmed my all my
> misgivings for the current rollout and that the current NBN scheme is a
> huge smelly pile of donkey donuts</rant>

I have found that almost anything is better than ADSL for many -- my old
ADSL was using copper lines at around the limit and I was lucky to get
ADSL at all, it was much less reliable than my newer HFC setup.
However, the full FTTP should be much better again -- FTTN falls below
HFC (in my view), but well ahead of ADSL normally.

Better than HFC is FTTC which some lucky HFC /type/ customers will get
in place of HFC.

Fixed wireless sits somewhere between HFC and FTTN in my view; but the
worst NBN option being satellite is a much less good option and only
just good as a replacement if no other option is viable.

> Yes, Internode may be my choice for ISP. They are my current ADSL provider.

Internode is not what they previously were, they are part of the iiBorg
set of companies; it may be better than some other options, but it's not
what it has, in the past, been known for.

My biggest rant is as follows:
"Originally the plan was for a government INVESTMENT of $26.9 billion;
with monies coming back as a return on investment upon eventual sale of
the network.  Now we have the real white elephant version at a cost of
$60+ billion and there won't be many suiters willing to buy it unless
they can pick it up for a song.  Hence, we'll lose a very significant
amount (if not every cent), that is spent on this far inferior version
that is Turncoat's mess."

Kind Regards
AndrewM

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