Hi Justin,

Sorry for not getting back to you earlier in the weekend.  Have been
googling around for more info on installing Ubuntu on SSD. Found the
following sites that might be useful:

Site#1
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd

The above site covers in quite detail the how-to's for optimizing your SSD
for Ubuntu 14.04, Linux Mint 17.1 and Debian (BTW, Ubuntu & Linux Mint are
from the same family of Linux Distros, with Debian being the parent - so
almost all the commands are identical).  It seemed fairly recent - late
2014.  It begins with some intro about SSDs.  One key point: *BIOS and
UEFI: set it to AHCI*

Another key point: A Solid State Drive is worn down relatively quickly by
write actions.  So this site introduced steps/commands on how to minimise
the action of writing to SSD by turning off the updating whenever a file is
read (last accessed time) - using the parameter 'noatime'.

The following site is not specifically about SSD, but it does describe,
step-by-step, how to install ubuntu 14.04 on an empty disk - which fits
your 2nd SSD install.

Site#2
http://ivanblagojevic.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-14-04-lts-on-an-empty-hard-disk-tutorial/

Key points are:
* Installation Type: Use "Something else".
* Then partition your SSD into, say:
   (1) 50 GB for the root partition (/) (ext4) (more than enough for all
the software you want to install in this Ubuntu);
   (2) A number of GB for swap space (the actual size depending on your PC
memory size - e.g. if 1 GB RAM --> 2 GB swap space, 2 or more GB RAM -->
same number of GB for swap space will do);
   (3) The rest of the disk space (minus a reserve of about 7% for
over-provisioning - as suggested in Site#1 ) - for the user partition
(/home) (ext4).
This way, next time when you want to reinstall your Ubuntu with a newer
version, you don't need to wipe your user/data partition.

I suggest follow site#1 from the beginning all the way to just before the
section: *After the installation: noatime.*

For the installation part, you follow site#2.

Basically you should first try to get your SSD installed successfully with
Ubuntu 14.04, then you let me know and we can discuss about how to
configure the rest of site#1 later.

There is also this site for reference:
Site#3
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2227391

This site suggests the following 2 commands that you can run while you are
boot up with the Ubuntu LiveCD:

sudo parted -l
sudo fdisk -l

The output will tell us how your SSD and HDDs are being read and seen as by
Ubuntu...

H.T.H.

If anyone in luv-main found any fault on what I had written above, or you
have better solutions, please share with us.


Cheers,
Wen


On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Justin Fisher <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Wen,
>
> All disks are connected to the sata controller on the motherboard. I have
> tried formatting the second ssd in computer management in Windows as both
> gpt and then mbr and trying to install ubuntu. I thought a mbr vs gpt issue
> may be causing the ext4 error during the install. Disk appeared in win7
> computer management fine.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Justin
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Wen Lin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> Is any of your 4 disks USB based?  Or are they all connected to SATA
>> controller inside your PC?  Are the 2 SSDs connected to the same controller
>> card as the 2 storage disks?
>>
>> The other way to determine if it's due to HW issue or not is to mount and
>> format the 2nd SSD in your Windows environment - as another drive, say, F:
>> drive. See if you can see and use this new drive in Windows.
>>
>> If the disk checked up ok, then you can reformat it to ext4 during an
>> Ubuntu install.
>>
>> Wen
>>  On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, "Justin Fisher" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Wen,
>>>
>>> Yes please do CC the main list. That would be great.
>>>
>>> To answer your questions: Yes, I have 4 disks total. 2xSSDs 128gb each
>>> (one for win7 and one for linux) and 2x 1TB Sata disks for storage (one
>>> of these used to be the Windows system drive)
>>>
>>> For my attempted install the Win7 SSD was sda, then the 2 storage
>>> drives were sdb and sdc respectively, and I was trying to install ubuntu on
>>> sdd. I did try just connecting the empty ssd only so that it appeared as
>>> sda but this didn't help.
>>>
>>> With the error message, yes i was able to start the installation before
>>> getting the "the ext4 file system creation in partition #1 (0,0,0)(sdd)
>>> failed" message. I couldn't get any further from there.
>>>
>>> Hopefully it is a partitioning issue and not a hardware issue if you
>>> don't think UEFI is a problem. I did have bent pins on the cpu after
>>> removalists delivered it to me last year but i got the magnifying glass and
>>> tweezers out and managed to straighten them and it booted fine.
>>>
>>> I do know a little bit about computers, but all just basic hardware and
>>> Windows stuff.
>>>
>>> Thank you again for all your help, really appreciate it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Wen Lin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ​Hi Justin,
>>>>
>>>> I hope you don't mind I CC the troubleshooting of your PC to LUV Main
>>>> list - we have got many smart and experienced people there who might know
>>>> how to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> ​Just to clarify:
>>>>
>>>> You said you have 2 SSD disks, both 128GB.  However, in you askubuntu
>>>> posting you also mentioned: I have a SSD running Windows 7, two 1tb
>>>> drives for storage and a new ssd i intend to run ubuntu (eventually
>>>> kxstudio) on.
>>>>
>>>> So would like to get a clearer picture on the actual number of disks
>>>> you have in your PC.
>>>>
>>>> - Do you actually have 4 disks in total - 2x SSD 128GB each, and 2x 1TB
>>>> disks (IDE, Sata or SSD)?
>>>>
>>>> - Your error says 'sdd' - that would usually indicate disk no. 4 (sda,
>>>> sdb, sdc & sdd).  You said you had tried using GParted on your disks, can
>>>> you try describe to us the layout a bit?  This would help giving us a
>>>> better picture.
>>>> Say:  Your Win7 currently on the first disk - sda (format: ntfs);
>>>> And if the 2x 1TB disks sdb and sdc respectively, are they still
>>>> Windows partitions (i.e. ntfs or fat32)?
>>>>
>>>> - You said you could not get any further than the error message "the
>>>> ext4 file system creation in partition #1 (0,0,0)(sdd) failed" during the
>>>> installation.  I take it you mean you had started the Ubuntu installation,
>>>> but then it failed with the above error when come to the "Disk
>>>> Partitioning" part?
>>>>
>>>> ​- In your askubuntu post you also mentioned several steps that you had
>>>> tried.  Perhaps some in our luv-main list can suggest anything wrong
>>>> there?  May be a SSD needs to be handled differently in disk partitioning?
>>>>
>>>> I am sure with enough "eye-balls" we can help you to get pass the disk
>>>> partitioning part of your Ubuntu installation (which is usually the most
>>>> critical part).  Get pass this point, the rest of the installation is
>>>> usually pretty straight forward. ​
>>>>
>>>> - While UEFI can often be contributing to difficulty in installing a
>>>> Linux Distro side-by-side with a Windows installation (usually Win8), I
>>>> doubt it is in your case - because you could boot up your LiveCD ok, and
>>>> you are installing Ubuntu on a separate disk.
>>>>
>>>> ​While you may be a linux noob, you seem to know a fair bit about
>>>> computer - so I think with a few more "Q&A's", I am confident we can get
>>>> your PC successfully installed with Ubuntu before our next LUV Beginners
>>>> Workshop.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Wen​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2015 3:48 PM, "Justin Fisher" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Wen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you immensely for contacting me and being willing to look at
>>>>> this problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> To answer your questions I have a Win7 64bit desktop. I indeed have 2
>>>>> ssd's both 128gb, Win7 (which is working fine after the attempted ubuntu
>>>>> install, though i did need to do a system restore at one point), and the
>>>>> empty one which I attempted to wipe and format several times. I have two
>>>>> 1tb drives for storage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not tried a LiveUSB yet, only DVDs and was able to boot from
>>>>> the LiveCDs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if this is a problem but i have a PCI soundcard connected
>>>>> also.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am beginning to think this may be an issue with UEFI, as i have seen
>>>>> some things written about that, but if so it would be well beyond my
>>>>> limited understanding of Linux at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Wen Lin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm happy to help if your problem is not too beyond me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, if you could share a bit more about the problem you are facing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Your PC is a desktop or laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - If it's a laptop, which brand & model?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - From your post in the Ubuntu site, can I confirm that you actually
>>>>>> have 2x 1TB SSD disks in your PC - One is your Win7, another is 
>>>>>> completely
>>>>>> empty (and/or been wiped a couple of times in your previous attempts) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Had your several failed attempts affected your Win7 disk?  Or had
>>>>>> it been wiped too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Is your PC a 64-bit or 32-bit machine?
>>>>>>   (You probably already knew that, depending on what type of CPU you
>>>>>> have, you need to use the 64-bit or 32-bit version of Ubuntu LiveCD for
>>>>>> installation (you did mention you were able to boot it up from the 
>>>>>> LiveCD,
>>>>>> right?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - You did mention you had tried the Ubuntu & KXStudio LiveCD, but you
>>>>>> had not tried with a LiveUSB right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are living in Melbourne? Which suburb?  I thought If it's
>>>>>> convenient I can have a hands-on look at your computer in order to better
>>>>>> troubleshoot - before 20 June.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Justin Fisher <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total linux noob here trying and failing to install ubuntu 14.04. I
>>>>>>> would love to know if there is an installfest planned sometime soon so i
>>>>>>> can finally get the OS installed. if not i would be super grateful for 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i posted my issue on askubuntu.com but not got any helpful
>>>>>>> responses yet, here is the link:
>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/626934/cannot-install-ubuntu-14-04-on-new-ssd-the-ext4-file-system-creation-in-partit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> basically i keep getting the "the ext4 file system creation in
>>>>>>> partition #1 (0,0,0)(sdd) failed" message when trying to install onto a
>>>>>>> brand new SSD. when i try to format and partition manually i get the 
>>>>>>> "Error
>>>>>>> synchronizing after initial wipe: Timed out waiting for object
>>>>>>> (udisks-error-quark, 0)" message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone can give me some pointers, i would really really
>>>>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>
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