Hello PCMan, On 09/01/2017 11:48 AM, PCMan wrote: > Hi Simon Quigley, > Really Thank you for all the hard work. As an LXQt developer I highly > appreciate that.
Great to hear, thank you for the hard work you've done! :) > Maintaining one distribution is already time-consuming enough and now > you guys even have two. Yes, that's the truth. > To make Lubuntu Next and LXQt more successful, I'd like to know what's > the major blocker to you. We have several major blockers in my eyes as to why Lubuntu Next hasn't been rolling sooner, here's what I can think of: 1. We've been waiting for some patches to land in upstream Qt, that's taken a while (but now that I'm personally doing work in Ubuntu and Debian with the Qt team, we shouldn't have this problem again). 2. We had a team member who believed it was only gilir's job to work on the Qt port. gilir is, from what I can tell, a very busy developer. This changed once he left the project and I became Release Manager in February. 3. In general, the Ubuntu release cycle. Feature Freeze has been a reason why I don't work on it as much. But I believe I now have a system where that is no longer an issue. In general, it's a Lubuntu issue, not an upstream issue. But, going forward, these have been pretty much resolved. > How we LXQt developers can help and make it easier for the users and > developers of Lubuntu? One thing I can point out for sure is this -- LXQt makes releases too slow for the amount of new features that are being added and in the development state that it is in. While I do see the importance of waiting until the right time to do a release, doing an LXQt release once every year or so is not, in my eyes, the best way to go. It would be great (in my opinion) if LXQt upstream could either: 1. Set out a time-based schedule (even if it's general (give/take a month)). 2. Once a new LXQt release has happened (and not long after), set out clear goals for what features want to be included and what bugs want to be fixed, and work towards getting those done. Once those are done, actually release. If bugs are found, fix them along the way. One way that could be accomplished is having some sort of Continuous Integration for LXQt. I know Alf has been working on Siduction (I don't know much about it, though) and I've been hacking up some scripts of my own. But having some sort of central CI and platform for testers could really help. But my point is here, having quicker LXQt releases (maybe 6 months or something) would be pretty great. I am personally excited for when Lubuntu Next is production ready and we can then look at the possibility of sunsetting the LXDE spin of Lubuntu. While this might be a year or two in the future (I'm thinking between the release of 18.04 and 18.10 Alpha 1 will be when we have those discussions and make final plans, 18.04 cycle will be focused on polish), I can see it happening. The problem is, Lubuntu has been saying this for so long, that we're going to replace LXDE with LXQt, etc. etc. etc. but I don't want to continue to be the new Unity 8 where people are saying, "oh, yet another release with LXDE as default, LXQt Lubuntu will ship in the year 3410" because in all reality, who *actually* wants that? I don't like looking at it as "it's not ready for production yet" on the basis that upstream development is still rapid. I want to make that assessment (and have) based on the amount of known, fixable bugs we have. And then we should fix those bugs. Ubuntu policies allow us to fix bugs in supported Ubuntu releases. We should take advantage of that... GTK 4 is coming soon, I don't personally want to continue shipping a product based on GTK 2. That's the core argument for this. If LXDE had a working, usable GTK 3 port, my opinion would be different. I would like to ship 18.04 LTS with LXDE as default to give 16.04 users a familiar upgrade path and compatibility with their existing applications, but after that, I would like to spend the next 2 years after that making LXQt stable enough for an LTS and providing a clear transition path for users. That'll require a good chunk of work, but a lot can be done in 2 years. These are just my opinions personally, I know gilir has had some reservations, and I can respect that, as he's been a member of the team longer than I have. We'll have more discussions as time goes on. But regardless, those are my personal thoughts for now. Anyways, thank you for reaching out PCMan. I look forward to talking with you in the future about LXQt. :) -- Simon Quigley tsimo...@ubuntu.com tsimonq2 on freenode and OFTC 5C7A BEA2 0F86 3045 9CC8 C8B5 E27F 2CF8 458C 2FA4
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