Yes, I'm starting to realize that it has reached the daily build. All these mails make it very obvious even for me now :-D
And it seems to be a great improvement for Lubuntu and old hardware. Best regards Nio On 2013-06-17 14:42, Phill Whiteside wrote: > Hi Nio, > > the BIG change with Saucy is the recent inclusion of ZRam, it is for > this reason we are re-testing "how low can it go" :) > > Regards, > > Phill. > > On 17 June 2013 02:13, Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com > <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > With all respect to your skill as a tester, Ali, I have to ask: > > 1. Has the GUI installer of Saucy improved a lot compared to Raring? > > 2. Or was I doing something seriously wrong? > > Because I could not install Lubuntu Raring 32-bit without swap, not even > with the alternate installer, with 256MB RAM. I did it in VirtualBox in > a Precise 32-bit host. > > I'll test it tomorrow in Saucy and switch off the memory hogs in > VirtualBox. I will also try to test low RAM in a real computer :-) > > Best regards > Nio > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: memory needed for Lubuntu tested with vbox > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:12:18 +0200 > From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wikl...@gmail.com <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> > To: ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com > <mailto:ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com> > <ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com > <mailto:ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com>>, > Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com> > > I want to share these results from testing to install and run Lubuntu > with low memory. I was using today's daily build of Lubuntu Raring > desktop and alternate iso files. > > See the attached file. Comments are welcome :-) > > Best regards > Nio alias sudodus > ---------------------------------- > > On 2013-06-17 02:06, Phill Whiteside wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Ali, firstly thank you for all the work you put in for the minimal > > specs of what lubuntu will install on. To everyone else working on > this, > > also a big thank you. > > > > For our minimal specs, once we get to 256MB RAM, we are also > stretching > > the applications (browser). > > > > @ Jluien, if Z-Ram works so well, could we drop alternate for some of > > the archs? > > > > Regards, > > > > Phill. > > > > > > On 17 June 2013 00:45, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjja...@gmail.com > <mailto:amjja...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:amjja...@gmail.com <mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > *_My Test - Part 1_* > > *Note* These Tests have been done on Oracle VM version 4.2.12 > > running on Windows 7 on HP Pavilion DV6, Core i5 first generation > > and 4GB RAM. > > > > *_Test Case A_* > > > > _Hardware Details: > > _ > > CPU: 1 CPU > > RAM Used by the OS: 256MB > > HDD: 5GB > > > > _Scenario: _ > > This is to simulate when the user has 256MB Physical RAM and a > > dedicated Graphics Card that does not steal/share its memory with > > the RAM. So, the OS will use the whole RAM which is 256MB. > > > > _Installation:_ > > > > 1. Mounted the Saucy ISO on the VM > > 2. Chose "Install Lubuntu" from the Menu > > 3. Chose "Erase Disk and Install Lubuntu" > > 4. Installation Process took around 16mins > > 5. VM Rebooted > > 6. System is up and running > > > > _Notes:_ > > > > 1. I have installed on completely wiped/free HDD. NO partitions > > whatsoever. NO other system. Nothing. > > 2. The installation Process was really smooth and without any > > problem, it worked and finished from the first try. > > 3. I have followed the same steps but choosing "Try Lubuntu > without > > installation" and then installed Lubuntu from the the Live > > Desktop by clicking the icon on the Desktop "Install Lubuntu > > 13.10" and the installation process took around > 15mins-16mins as > > well but I felt the process is slower than before. Moving the > > mouse for example wasn't as smooth as the first test - when > > choosing "Install Lubuntu" from the menu. > > 4. After the installation, and for both methods (Install Lubuntu > > and Try Lubuntu without installation then install from the > live > > desktop), the RAM Usage according to 'htop': > > > > RAM: 98MB/256MB > > SWAP: 1MB/482MB > > > > Firefox and LXTerminal with htop and it says: 153MB RAM and > 7MB SWAP > > on www.google.com <http://www.google.com> > <http://www.google.com/> and I don't feel like > > having only 256MB at all. > > Did not play more. Was just testing how Firefox will behave. > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > = = = > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > *_ > > _* > > *_Test Case B_* > > > > _Hardware Details: > > _ > > CPU: 1 CPU > > Base Memory: 256MB > > Video Memory: 32MB > > Used Memory by the OS: 224MB > > HDD: 5GB > > > > _Scenario: _ > > To simulate the situation when the user has 256MB Physical RAM and > > 32MB of that RAM will be used by the built-in Graphics Card. > > > > _Installation:_ > > > > 1. Mounted the Saucy ISO on the VM > > 2. Chose "Install Lubuntu" from the Menu > > 3. Chose "Erase Disk and Install Lubuntu" > > 4. Installation Process took around 16mins > > 5. VM Rebooted > > 6. System is up and running > > > > > > _Notes:_ > > > > 1. I have installed on completely wiped/free HDD. NO partitions > > whatsoever. NO other system. Nothing. > > 2. Installation Process was a bit slow and it was installed > > successfully from the first try. Not very slow, but slow or a > > bit slow. I guess it depends from machine to machine. > > 3. Graphics Memory after installation was done is reporting, > > according to 'htop', 242MB Used RAM by OS which means only > 14MB > > is being used by the graphics and I guess it depends on the > > color and resolution so the system needs 14MB for video card. > > After all, it is called 'Shared Memory' and the video card > does > > not really has to use it all :) > > 4. I didn't try to the other option - "Try Lubuntu without > > installation". I can tell the result would be the same. But I > > don't mind, if really really necessary, to do that. > > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > = = = > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > *_Test Case C_* > > > > _Hardware Details: > > _ > > CPU: 1 CPU > > Used Memory by the OS: 192MB > > HDD: 5GB > > > > _Scenario: _ > > To simulate the situation when the user has only 192MB > Physical RAM > > and a dedicated Graphics Card that does not steal/share its memory > > with the RAM. So, the OS will use the whole RAM which is 192MB. > > > > > > _Installation:_ > > > > 1. Mounted the Saucy ISO on the VM > > 2. Chose "Install Lubuntu" from the Menu > > 3. Chose "Erase Disk and Install Lubuntu" > > 4. Installation Process took around 20mins or a bit more. > > 5. VM Rebooted > > 6. System is up and running > > > > _ > > _ > > _Notes:_ > > > > 1. I have installed on completely wiped/free HDD. NO partitions > > whatsoever. NO other system. Nothing. > > 2. I had to do 3 tries until the 3rd one got passed. The > first two > > tries, the installer crashed and dropped me to the Live > Desktop > > with the icon to install Lubuntu sitting there :) > > 3. The installation process was slow but usable. > > 4. When I tried to repeat using "Try Lubuntu without > installation" > > and then install Lubuntu from the the Live Desktop by clicking > > the icon on the Desktop "Install Lubuntu 13.10", at the first > > few steps, the installer crashed and it logged me off the Live > > Desktop and took me to LightDM and only one username to > login to > > which is "other". > > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > = = = > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > *_Test Case D_* > > *_ > > _* > > _Hardware Details: > > _ > > CPU: 1 CPU > > Used Memory by the OS: 128MB > > HDD: 5GB > > *_ > > _* > > _Notes:_ > > > > 1. The installer crashed and dropped me to the Live Desktop with > > the icon to install Lubuntu sitting there :) > > 2. When I tried to install from the Live Desktop, it crashed and > > dropped me to LightDM. > > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > = = = > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > End of Testing for today :) > > > > *_Conclusion_*: > > We must understand the difference between the minimum system > > requirement to*_'install'_* Lubuntu ... and ... the minimum system > > requirement to *_'use'_* Lubuntu *_'after'_* installing it. > IMHO :) > > > > My above 4 test cases were about the minimum system requirement to > > 'install' Lubuntu. > > After all, the usage of the system purely depends on the user. > If he > > is a light user, the system won't be so demanding at all. > > If he is a heavy user, that is totally different story. > > > > So, IMHO, we should be clear about this point. > > > > > > *_Recommendation:_* > > Long story short, I do recommend that: > > *The Minimum System Requirement to Install Lubuntu 13.10 from The > > LiveCD using the Desktop ISO, is ... _256MB_ Physical RAM.* > > > > > > *_Next Step:_* > > I have moved houses so all my stuff are packed. I need to take my > > old test PC from the store, find my keyboard and try to play > with it > > and repeat the above tests (not all of them). > > What so special about that PC is: > > It has 512MB Physical RAM and its BIOS has a feature to share > > 32MB-256MB for the built in video card. So, I can test down to > 256MB > > RAM. > > I can not go below that. But, after all, from what I've found so > > far, it is useless to go below that as long as the above > > recommendation says it all :) > > > > Thanks for reading my report! > > > > End of report. > > > > -- > > > > "All of us are smarter than any one of us." > > > > *Best Regards,* > > *amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/>* > > *Start Ubuntu > > > > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu>* > > > > /Test Machine: ASUS F3F Laptop - //Intel Core Duo T2350 @ 1.86GHz > > with 489MB RAM/ > > > > > > -- > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-wiki-docs> > > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-wiki-docs> > > Post to : lubuntu-wiki-d...@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:lubuntu-wiki-d...@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:lubuntu-wiki-d...@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:lubuntu-wiki-d...@lists.launchpad.net>> > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-wiki-docs> > > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-wiki-docs> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > > > > > -- > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw > > > > > > > > > -- > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
