Hi Iberê, See inline text Best regards Nio On 2013-06-09 05:54, Iberê Fernandes wrote: > Hi everybody, > > This discussion is about *really low RAM* according to today's standards > for computers. > > Aere, you may be right. I have been thinking that many people, who want > to use such old hardware are prepared to run a few text mode or terminal > window commands, at least if they are guided to it from a tutorial or > wiki page. Am a wrong? > > What about the alternate installer, is that easy enough to run (it's > text, but in a very guided way)? > > > > I' ve just tried the alternate installer instructions today: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO > > The first link "here" at "Instructions here > <https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/howto-installation.html> > and here. > <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall>" > is 404. Can anybody tell me the correct link so I can fix it? > > The second "here" links to: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall > > And Karl video is linked on the page. It is extremely detailed/friendly > to get the message: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi-VPj4jzrg > > Besides video, written instructions are ok too. > > However, I believe navigation until the final instructions to the > alternate install is a bit tricky. It's just my opinion, but I invite > you to check where things begin: > 1) suppose user starts here: http://lubuntu.net/ > > I'm not sure if our users start from 1. Do we track where are the main > distribution channels? > > 2) supose now that from 1) the user now needs the alternate installer > and he clicks at " Install > <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu> Lubuntu on your > computer and start..." will lead to > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu > > 3) great, on checklist section there's the alternate installer " If you > have any problems, or if you're comfortable using a keyboard interface, > try the alternate installer > <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO>" > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO > > 4) Humm, but no further instructions... a user needs another click at > "Instructions here > <https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/howto-installation.html> > and here. > <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall>" > > Now, finally on the last "here", I > got https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall. > > Let me try Google instead: > 1) https://www.google.com.br/search?q=lubuntu+alternate+install > > (I suppose the user knows what exactly query to type.) Do we know the > queries that lead to us/our installers? > > 2) on Google search results page, for me here in Brazil, the 5th link > leads to: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO > > 3) now the user must download and go to step 4 above. > > Again, those are just my impressions of how I get the info you're > talking about. Just my 2 cents if usefull. > > > Cheers, > Iberê > > PS: I'll introduce myself in another thread once I've already talked > too much here. :) >
It's a great idea too try to understand how a newcomer might navigate in our wiki pages. I think you are right, our wiki can be improved. It is important to add links, shortcuts to the alternate installer, and probably also to other things in our wiki pages. I learned to hate cross-linking in the file allocation table (FAT) during the old days of DOS and Windows ;-) But in wiki pages, I think cross-linking is a very good thing :-D > > Are we losing many users because the desktop installer fails for many > people, when there is low RAM? What about the chance to get a lot of > computers converted to Lubuntu at the end of life of Windows XP? I think > several of those computers have really low RAM. > > > Question: How do we track failed or successfull instalations? Besides > the examples (Ubiquity, slides) above, do we know where else on the > installation our users are giving up? > It would be very valuable to know. But hard because it is free. If people pay, that action is the first feed-back. And they will be more prone to complain, if it is not working, and demand help to fix it or money back. *Who knows if there is any counting* of people visiting our wiki pages or downloading our iso images. I guess we must use whatever feed-back there is in the different fora for help and discussion: our mailing lists, the Ubuntu Forums, the Facebook pages, AskUbuntu ... and use our imagination. > > In that case we should > > - make an automatic option to use swap or zRAM. This would be easy for > the end user but hard for us to make it. > > - recommend a GUI method to prepare the system with swap. I'm thinking > of running gparted before the installer. Is the easiest non-text method > to activate the new swap to reboot? Newcomers are trained to reboot from > Windows ;-) This is harder but still possible for those who just don't > type commands in a terminal window, but easier for us (only a tutorial > or wiki text about it). > > Best regards > Nio > > > > -- > Lubuntu-users mailing list > Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users > > > > > -- > abs e bons estudos! > iberê -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
