Hi James, will you please use 'reply to all' from the topic.
Phill, you are a gentleman among gentleman for going so far out of your way to help. I notice the PPC deb is version 1.4 (and xombrero is at 1.5 now), so if I'm successful compiling and packaging a 1.5, perhaps it could be added to the unofficial apps instead of 1.4 (assuming that 1.4 PPC will be included in the unofficial apps). I spoke too soon. Xombrero 1.4 installs and starts up great, and I can get to some websites, but certain basic tasks completely crash the browser. (viewing Gmail, even as plain HTML, for example) Facebook opens up, I was able to authenticate, but the browser crashed when I was trying to open up the Lubuntu page. I *could* browse through Craiglist, although I did not try responding to an ad. Maybe 1.5 will be better, but given 1.4's performance, I'm not holding my breath. You *MUST* use the lubuntu-qa area in replies. I do have a heart for PPC, but do NOT answer me privately. I do not have a PCC machine. do asking things yo me directly are wrong. Phill. On 27 May 2013 20:14, Phill Whiteside <phi...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > It is not too often I do ask the release team about things PPC. > Thankfully, when I do, they take it as break from normal work and have a > bunch of ideas to bounce off and go hunting for stuff. > > I do ask that you do *not* go asking these people directly, It is a > favour that I ask on now and again on behalf of the PPC team, But, with > that known, here is the chat - complete with a link for xombrero on PPC for > you to test out[1] and a less scary set of notes to compiling stuff[2]. I'm > fully upto speed with LVM and will help out with any questions. I've asked > if there has been a classroom session previously held on LVM. > > (18:53:44) phillw: cjwatson: just a quick question... can launchpad ppa > area compile up a PPC version from source if asked? > (18:59:14) stgraber: phillw: devirt PPA can be used for that but they're > restricted to Canonical employees as they use the same builders as the > distro > (19:02:39) cjwatson: And because they have effectively no (or very weak) > security against a malicious user installing some kind of persistent > process that fiddles about with future builds. > (19:03:09) phillw: stgraber: thanks. It's just the PPC guys have asked to > have a play with xombrero which julien does keep at > https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/non-official-apps whilst Luis > Henriques battles with licensing issues to have the new version accepted > into debian :) > (19:03:46) cjwatson: This is really a #launchpad question, but the answer > is going to be no due to long-standing policy, I'm afraid. > (19:04:04) phillw: cjwatson: thanks, it was worth asking :) > (19:06:00) phillw: one of the ppc guys is going to have to learn > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo one of them has > offered, but he is busy in RL for a couple of weeks. No worries, it is of > very low urgency (aka wish-list). > (19:06:46) cjwatson: Eh, just have somebody set up sbuild, not that hard > (19:07:33) phillw: cjwatson: but does it not have to build on a PPC > machine? > (19:07:35) cjwatson: Install sbuild package, 'mk-sbuild saucy', fiddle > with /etc/schroot/chroot.d/<whatever the new file is called> if need be, > sbuild -d saucy foo.dsc > (19:09:46) cjwatson: phillw: Yes, in general. But one might hope that > your ppc guys have such things. > (19:10:11) cjwatson: ("in general" because it is possible to play tricks > with qemu and/or cross-building in some cases.) > (19:10:29) cjwatson: (but I wouldn't recommend starting there.) > (19:11:24) phillw: cjwatson: they do, but none of the devs have. Would it > be possible using > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64#How_to_test_on_any_architectures_.28using_qemu.29 > (19:11:28) cjwatson: "CompilingEasyHowTo" seems designed to make it sound > as scary as possible. > (19:11:49) cjwatson: phillw: In principle you could do it in a VM, sure. > It would be very slow. > (19:12:00) phillw: h eh, do you know of better documentation? > (19:12:18) phillw: more than 12 hours? > (19:12:24) phillw: as in slow ^^ > (19:12:26) cjwatson: That would obviously rather depend on the package! > (19:12:49) cjwatson: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto - > if you don't have LVM set up then drop the --vg=blah argument) > (19:13:51) cjwatson: 'mk-sbuild --arch=powerpc saucy' will have a go at > setting things up with qemu user-mode emulation. Might work. Known to have > trouble with sufficiently complicated packages that rely on decent > threading support during the build, but works with a fair number of simpler > things. > (19:14:00) ***infinity notes that quantal has a higher version than > raring in that PPA. > (19:14:56) phillw: thanks, that gives various options. shame that > openbios-ppc is only there as a .deb. I'd run a VM on my server area, but > it is CentOS (red-hat) > (19:15:19) cjwatson: It's perfectly possible to pick apart .debs on RH > machines. > (19:15:34) phillw: not for me, it isn't :D > (19:16:04) infinity: Or just install it on an Ubuntu machine, and grab > the binary you want from /usr/share/openbios-ppc > (19:16:35) cjwatson: Ten seconds' googling found > http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/04/view-and-extract-packages/ (e.g.) > (19:17:34) phillw: cjwatson: I did have a try, but my knowledge is > insufficient. I managed a compile of pcmanfm with a LOT of help. > (19:18:30) phillw: infinity: if I cp that over, would virt-manager be > able to use it? > (19:18:53) infinity: No idea, I don't use either virt-manager or RHEL. > (19:19:33) cjwatson: Might be more sensible to ask in some RHish channel > ... > (19:19:39) phillw: infinity: thanks, I'll go do some digging, but TBH. > centos people are not the most helpful on irc :) > (19:19:52) cjwatson: Ubuntu people aren't going to be helpful about > CentOS, I'm afraid. > (19:20:05) cjwatson: Your problem :) > (19:20:26) phillw: unless I have a bug fix for a kernel problem from > red-hat :D > (19:20:55) phillw: I do understand. But when I'm on there, it is for > CentOS issues :) > (19:21:49) infinity: phillw: http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/xombrero/ > (19:21:50) infinity: phillw: Enjoy. > (19:21:55) infinity: (That was built on raring) > (19:22:16) phillw: infinity: PPC? > (19:22:26) cjwatson: Try looking at the directory listing ... > (19:22:28) infinity: Yes... > (19:23:02) phillw: infinity / cjwatson you people are stars of the 1st > magnitude. Thanks! > (19:23:16) ***cjwatson wonders whether this would work in qemu, and tries. > (19:23:58) tumbleweed: qemu's PPC emulation seems *very* slow > (19:24:10) cjwatson: I mean user mode. I can't be bothered with > full-system emulation. > (19:24:14) phillw: tumbleweed: it is, but it has a lot to do! > (19:24:56) infinity: tumbleweed: Is it even worse, clock-for-clock than > ARM (I'd expect it to be, I guess, given that people emulate ARM for a > reason, emulating PPC just means you're too cheap to buy a computer) > (19:25:59) phillw: tumbleweed: many years ago, windows would run faster > in the newest PPC chipsets than it could on the intel based ones. That was > REALLY weird (But we talking win 3.1 as to how long ago). > (19:26:33) phillw: +under emulation > (19:26:43) tumbleweed: yeah, user-mode > (19:27:39) infinity: phillw: Nothing all that weird about it, PPC740/750 > was wildly faster than the Pentiums of the time. > (19:28:31) infinity: (POWER7 and the upcoming POWER8 still eat Intel's > lunch too, for that matter, as long as you don't mind running a trunk cable > from the local nuclear reactor to your living room) > (19:29:02) phillw: But, I have distracted you all for far too long. Many > thanks for all the information and I'll let the PPC testers know of the > xombrero link for them to try. At least that way they can decide if they > want to give time and effort into testing it. > (19:31:17) phillw: infinity: lol ^^ :D > > Regards, > > Phill. > 1. http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/xombrero/ > 2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto > > > On 27 May 2013 18:46, <ke...@refaceplace.net> wrote: > >> I would like to try this myself, but my next 2 weeks schedule doesn't >> allow the time. I found some information which looks helpful: >> >> https://help.ubuntu.com/**community/CompilingEasyHowTo<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo> >> >> Keith >> >> -- >> Mailing list: >> https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-qa<https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa> >> Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : >> https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-qa<https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa> >> More help : >> https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelp<https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >> > > > > -- > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw > -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
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