Thanks Nicholas. Sometimes I can be a little thick :^( Lance
--- On Thu, 4/18/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> wrote: > From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via live image > To: "Lance" <lbsol...@yahoo.com> > Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 9:16 AM > Lance, though we speak English on the > internet, it's not always the > native language for people. I think Dmitrijs was trying to > say for > 13.04, the final image won't offer any upgrades for a 13.04 > > installation. Right now it will. So in other words: > > Right now: > Upgrade 12.10, 13.04 > > At Release: > Upgrade 12.10 > > Nicholas > > On 04/17/2013 06:53 PM, Lance wrote: > > I dunno :^( > > > > At one point Dmitrijs says, "for the final released > 13.04 image and installs of 13.04, it should > > not offer any "upgrade" options", but in the next > sentence he says, "13.04 released final image should only > > offer upgrades for 12.10 installations and older". > > > > So I'm totally confused. > > > > Lance > > > > --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> > wrote: > > > >> From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> > >> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test - via > live image > >> To: "Lance" <lbsol...@yahoo.com> > >> Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > >> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 5:42 PM > >> Lance, the testcase in question > >> covers using the raring install cd to > >> "upgrade" a quantal installation. That's supported, > valid, > >> and should be > >> tested :-) > >> > >> That lines up with the comment on the bug as well. > Right? > >> > >> Nicholas > >> > >> On 04/17/2013 06:17 PM, Lance wrote: > >>> I think my method of communication is the > problem. > >>> > >>> We now offer two upgrade tests: > >>> > >>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases > >>> > >>> That's true for all flavors. > >>> > >>> The one titled "Upgrade" is fine. > >>> > >>> The one I found problematic was the one titled > "Upgrade > >> (image)". > >>> Now look here: > >>> > >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1101073/comments/3 > >>> > >>> At the end you'll see, "for the final released > 13.04 > >> image and installs of 13.04, it should not offer > any > >> "upgrade" options. 13.04 released final image > should only > >> offer upgrades for 12.10 installations and older. > >>> At the moment this is the desired design and > >> expectation." > >>> So I assume that all of the "Upgrade (image)" > tests > >> should be removed from the tracker. > >>> Lance > >>> > >>> --- On Wed, 4/17/13, Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> From: Nicholas Skaggs <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New upgrade test > - via > >> live image > >>>> To: "Lance" <lbsol...@yahoo.com> > >>>> Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > >>>> Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 4:20 PM > >>>> This is relevant here perhaps: > >>>> > >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-March/002262.html > >>>> > >>>> The upgrade tests are intended to test the > previous > >> (stable) > >>>> release to > >>>> the current (dev) release. As xnox noted > the > >> ability to > >>>> upgrade in-place > >>>> for a dev version exists, but imho we don't > want to > >> test or > >>>> support such > >>>> a thing. The supported path is from stable > to > >> stable, via > >>>> lts to lts or > >>>> previous to next stable. If your running > the > >> development > >>>> version like we > >>>> all do :-), images are important to test to > ensure > >>>> installation happen > >>>> properly and the installer is working > correctly. > >> Obviously > >>>> we don't want > >>>> in-cycle upgrade issues, but if they exist, > they > >> will only > >>>> affect the > >>>> testing users (if we went rolling, this > would all > >> be > >>>> different/matter > >>>> :-) ). As such, in-cycle upgrades aren't an > issue > >> for a > >>>> final release -- > >>>> we want to ensure the previous->current > upgrade > >> path > >>>> works well. In > >>>> other words, for all intents and purposes, > it > >> doesn't matter > >>>> if the Jan > >>>> 18th iso install clean upgrades with > today's iso or > >> not -- > >>>> so long as > >>>> quantal does so :-) Note that of course, it > matters > >> to some > >>>> of us brave > >>>> development release users, but I'm speaking > for the > >> majority > >>>> of folks > >>>> who run stable ;-). > >>>> > >>>> Make sense? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Nicholas > >>>> > >>>> On 04/17/2013 04:06 PM, Lance wrote: > >>>>> Major change if I'm reading this > right: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1101073/comments/3 > >>>>> > >>>>> "for the final released 13.04 image > and > >> installs of > >>>> 13.04, it should not offer any "upgrade" > options. > >> 13.04 > >>>> released final image should only offer > upgrades for > >> 12.10 > >>>> installations and older. > >>>>> At the moment this is the desired > design and > >>>> expectation." > >>>>> So maybe that upgrade test should be > removed > >>>> altogether??? > >>>>> Lance > >>>>> > >>>>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Lance <lbsol...@yahoo.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> From: Lance <lbsol...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New > upgrade test > >> - via > >>>> live image > >>>>>> To: "Nicholas Skaggs" <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>, > >>>> lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > >>>>>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 9:57 > PM > >>>>>> Just thought to add; > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If we move it to the desktop image > testing > >> it > >>>> should > >>>>>> possibly be "optional" rather than > >> "mandatory". > >>>>>> But my original point, which I did > a poor > >> job of > >>>> explaining, > >>>>>> is that upgrading via the live > image is > >> very much > >>>> dependent > >>>>>> on the date the image was produced > rather > >> than a > >>>> "weekly" > >>>>>> cycle :^) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lance > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Lance <lbsol...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: Lance <lbsol...@yahoo.com> > >>>>>>> Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] New > upgrade test > >> - via > >>>> live > >>>>>> image > >>>>>>> To: "Nicholas Skaggs" <nicholas.ska...@canonical.com>, > >>>>>> lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > >>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, > 9:41 PM > >>>>>>> Just to catch everyone up on > the > >>>>>>> basics; beginning with > Maverick > >> ubiquity began > >>>> offering > >>>>>> an > >>>>>>> upgrade path that's quite > different > >> than both > >>>> the > >>>>>> standard > >>>>>>> upgrade via the update-mangler > or via > >> the > >>>> alternate > >>>>>> image. > >>>>>>> Basically, based on my own > experience, > >> this > >>>> option will > >>>>>> only > >>>>>>> be offered if you have only one > Ubuntu > >> based > >>>> distro > >>>>>>> installed. So if you're > multi-booting > >> two or > >>>> more > >>>>>> Ubuntu > >>>>>>> based distros (like Xubuntu > and > >> Lubuntu) you'll > >>>> never > >>>>>> see > >>>>>>> it, but I have still seen the > option if > >> I'm > >>>>>> dual-booting > >>>>>>> with either Windows or Fedora. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Anyway if you look at Upgrade > Lubuntu > >> on the > >>>> QA > >>>>>> Tracker > >>>>>>> you'll now see two tests: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The one that's called "Upgrade > (image)" > >> is the > >>>> one I'm > >>>>>>> talking about ;^) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So what's the problem? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Well, having it lumped into > standard > >> upgrade > >>>> testing > >>>>>> you > >>>>>>> first see this page where it > says, > >> "This build > >>>> is valid > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>> a week, starting on 2013/04/12 > at 21:00 > >> UTC > >>>> and > >>>>>> finishing on > >>>>>>> 2013/04/19 at 21:00 UTC.": > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/41978/testcases/1498/results > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You can of course read more on > the > >> testcase > >>>> specific > >>>>>> page: > >>>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1498/info > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So I'm thinking that this > live-image > >> upgrade > >>>> test > >>>>>> should > >>>>>>> actually be moved from the > "Upgrade > >> Lubuntu" > >>>> section to > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>> Desktop images tests > ............ but > >> I'm just > >>>> thinking > >>>>>> out > >>>>>>> loud ATM. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's why I'm not filing a bug > against > >> the > >>>> tracker, I > >>>>>> felt > >>>>>>> it best to have an open > discussion > >> before doing > >>>> so. > >>>>>>> Particularly since this is > something > >> rather new > >>>> to > >>>>>> most > >>>>>>> testers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Lance > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa > >>>>>>> Post to > : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > >>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa > >>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa > >>>>>> Post to : > lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa > >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >>>>>> > >> > > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
