On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:57 AM, amjjawad HOOHAA <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, > > I went through the whole thread (37 emails so far) and noticed very simple > thing that I already have noticed long time ago (I know what most of you > will say) which is: we do *NOT *have accurate database of Lubuntu Users > in general and those who are "still" using OLD machines and I mean VERY old > here. > > I like such kind of discussion and I tend to agree with some opinions and > disagree with others but after all, this is very healthy activity > (discussion) but ... as always ... the real question is: isn't it pointless > to discuss such thing without REAL figures? some guys already pointed that > out, I guess. > > Long story short, my simple and humble opinion is: we need a group of > people who do a survey to obtain such figures. No, I have no smart ideas of > HOWTO do that but if we could discuss about this, that would be VERY > helpful. Perhaps we are wasting our time here and there are only 2-3 users > with such old machines? for me, Lubuntu 10.04 didn't work on this: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 while Mint LXDE 9 did. > Both may be using the same kernel but I'm not really sure why Lubuntu > didn't work. Also, perhaps they are many users that will be affected with > that drop? so we need some figures. > > Just a thought I'd like to share with all, as usual :) > > Thanks! > The problem with a survey is that it will never be representative, since it is opt-in, and even more unrepresentative based off of where it's publicized (i.e. a poll of lubuntu-desktop subscribers won't get you all of the non-pae cpu users). The only fool-proof way of getting this data is to automatically submit it from users' computers, but that's a privacy issue, and still limits to internet users and those who do package upgrades regularly (assuming the submission method results from a package upgrade). I can offer you this though [1]: 21:35:54 <kees> so, as for data, with bdmurray's help, I downloaded 7271 x86 cpuinfos from bug reports on LP about a year ago. 336 of those were non-pae. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cpu-checker-dev/cpu-checker/trunk/files/head:/test/ 21:36:12 <kees> so that's just under 5% I think it's also not how many people are using non-pae cpus, but whether or not Lubuntu is expected to be able to run on non-pae cpus. For example, I would expect Lubuntu to run on the 400MHz FSB Pentium M CPUs [2] (only the 400MHz FSB models don't support PAE [3]); in fact, I'd even argue that those CPUs are part of the intended audience. And no matter how many users there are, based off of a QA perspective, if I say that Lubuntu is designed for a particular kind of machine, it better be able to run on that machine, plain and simple. Also, the non-pae kernel is still supported in Precise. All we'd have to do is change the default kernel on i386. -Steven [1]: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-12-21.01.moin.txt [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_M_microprocessors [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
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