Hi Aijun, As the responsible Routing Area Director, it is unacceptable to permit any form of personal attack or character assault against a Working Group (WG) chair or any other WG participant. If there are concerns regarding the behavior of fellow WG members, I encourage you to bring these issues to my attention, and I will work with you to address them appropriately.
For guidance on the IETF consensus process, please refer to RFC 7282, "On Consensus and Humming in the IETF." This document outlines the principles for achieving rough consensus and provides a clear path for an objector to appeal decisions. Specifically, Section 3, "Rough consensus is achieved when all issues are addressed, but not necessarily accommodated," includes the following relevant passage: “Remember, if the objector feels that the issue is so essential that it must be attended to, they always have the option to file an appeal. A technical error is always a valid basis for an appeal. The chair, in making the consensus call (or whoever is responsible to hear an appeal), may determine that the issue was addressed and understood, but they also have the freedom and the responsibility to say, 'The group did not take this technical issue into proper account' when appropriate. Simply having a large majority of people agreeing to dismiss an objection is not enough to claim there is rough consensus; the group must have honestly considered the objection and evaluated whether other issues weighed sufficiently against it. Failure to do so means that there is no true consensus." Kind regards, G/ Routing Area Director -----Original Message----- From: Christian Hopps <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2024 5:47 AM To: Aijun Wang <[email protected]> Cc: Christian Hopps <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Yingzhen Qu <[email protected]>; lsr-chairs <[email protected]>; lsr <[email protected]> Subject: [Lsr] Re: 【Please Abandon this WGLC document】答复: Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-multi-tlv (7/1/2024 - 7/15/2024) CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the URL nok.it/ext for additional information. > On Sep 2, 2024, at 23:37, Aijun Wang <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, Chris: > > Please give the proof where is the WG's consensus? We all can see and > retrieve all the responses from its WGLC process publicly. Please read what I said closely I said we have "general consensus", there is an open discussion currently on the point of configuration and whether multi-part TLVs may be used even when not needed. > Please note: The chairs' preference doesn’t represent the WG's consensus. This is a rather insulting and offensive comment. Please raise an appeal at this point if you wish to continue with this. Chris. > > Best Regards > > Aijun Wang > China Telecom > > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] 代表 Christian Hopps > 发送时间: 2024年9月3日 11:18 > 收件人: Aijun Wang <[email protected]> > 抄送: [email protected]; 'Yingzhen Qu' > <[email protected]>; 'lsr-chairs' <[email protected]>; 'lsr' > <[email protected]> > 主题: [Lsr] Re: 【Please Abandon this WGLC document】答复: Re: WG Last Call > for draft-ietf-lsr-multi-tlv (7/1/2024 - 7/15/2024) > > > "Aijun Wang" <[email protected]> writes: > >> I would like to emphasize that this document will lead to more chaos >> for the operators network, even it solves the control of when to send >> the MP-TLV problems. >> >> Please see: >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmai >> larchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Flsr%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cgunter.van_de_ >> velde%40nokia.com%7C6dc0cae6569b484eddee08dccbcb4313%7C5d471751967542 >> 8d917b70f44f9630b0%7C0%7C0%7C638609321073186024%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb >> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D >> %7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=IY2Ui6IzPzIRuUxOB%2Bw4oYjbjg3e9qUV45EsEayvZWQ%3D& >> reserved=0 Gf4D3REVNXWO9BlIVPqnZ3f-GcM/ for more unsolved problems. >> >> >> >> It’s time to ABANDON it. > > As WG Chair. > > This document will NOT be abandoned. We're literally in WGLC with WG > consensus on the general solution. > > Chris. > _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] _______________________________________________ Lsr mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
