Hi, Tony:

 

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tony Li
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2021 12:52 AM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>
Cc: Gyan Mishra <[email protected]>; Christian Hopps <[email protected]>; 
Aijun Wang <[email protected]>; lsr <[email protected]>; Acee Lindem (acee) 
<[email protected]>; Tony Przygienda <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] 【Responses for Comments on PUAM Draft】RE: IETF 112 LSR 
Meeting Minutes

 

 

 

Les,

 

It is not clear to me why having the IGP advertise information that it already 
knows is considered an “architectural violation”. It is even less clear to me 
since it would not be considered a violation if an operator didn’t configure a 
summary and the IGP advertised all the individual prefixes it knew about all 
the time. (Whether that is a wise choice in a given deployment is another 
matter.)

 

 

The IGP knows many things. I object to adding things to the LSDB that aren’t 
already there.

[WAJ] Then, how to explain the newly defined “Dynamic Flooding LSA” in 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding-09, which 
is not already in LSDB before?

 

If people want to leak things outside of the area, I object to that. I know 
that people do it already. Yes, there are valid cases where it’s necessary and 
there are tools to do it. People abuse the privilege and then wonder why their 
IGP has indigestion. Go figure.

 

I object to adding negative liveness to the LSDB because of the scale and 
because it adds scale during failures.

[WAJ] If we have no such mechanism, operator should either advertise the host 
routes across areas(which has scale problem), or lose the fast convergences for 
some overlay services(which defeat the user experiences).

Within the real network, there is very rare chance for the massive failure. And 
even such thing happen accidently, the information about node liveness is 
countable, is there any router can’t process such information?

The received unreachable information does not trigger the SPF calculation. Will 
they influence intensively the performance of the router?

 

As to scale, you are making the assumption that a solution cannot be provided 
without introducing significant scale issues – but I don’t think that is the 
case.

I don’t want to use this thread to advocate for one candidate solution over 
another – I think that is best addressed in some subsequent thread. Just want 
to point out that the solution does not have to have the same scale 
characteristics as having no summaries.

 

 

My understanding is that N node failures would result in O(N) bytes added to 
the LSDB.  If someone has a way to compress that information to O(1), I (and 
Claude Shannon) would be interested.

[WAJ] Do you have other determined solutions except the PUB/SUB mechanism that 
does not exist in current IGP?

 

Tony

 

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