I somewhat agree with Tomo in the sense that we have actually had
recently a longtime FOSS contributor who contributes in Debian and
Ubuntu and works for
Canonical ask why our LoCo is not approved and I explained that it is
mostly redtape considering the LoCo has been around for years and is
active. I understand the decision to not offer the shipit program to the
entire world due to costs but to not send unapproved teams CD's of any
quantity seems counterproductive to not only the community at large but
also for Canonical as a marketing practice.
I'm somewhat embarassed when I hand people burned CD's and have to tell
them our LoCo does not get official printed CD's and notably I have
actually had people turn down burned CD's because people don't trust
burns as much as official print CD's. I find the idea of not even
providing a "starter" pack to unapproved LoCo's disheartening and
although our LoCo will be applying in the near future there is no
guarantee we will get approved and I think that alone has caused in the
past the LoCo to lose steam and I would not doubt this has caused other
unapproved LoCo's to lose confidence.
On 11/02/2011 07:52 AM, Tomo Popovic wrote:
I am sorry if I stirred the issue of unapproved/supported more than
needed, but I hope some good comes out of it.
Just to give the picture I have been GNU/Linux and open source user
for years and using Ubuntu for more than 5 years both at my office and
home. I am a software developer and consultant here in Texas, USA. My
origins are in Montenegro and I have very good relationships there.
LoCo Montenegro team (lets call it unofficial at this time) has been
around since 2007. Recently, I tried to provide my support and help
mainly to streamline the activities and we had a very good year. We
purchased the domain, moved site from some "free hosting" sites to our
domain. Revamped the site, started new forum (old one was also on free
hosting somewhere), wiki, IRC channel, and organized few gatherings
and presentations. We even managed to get into major local newspapers.
The group mainly communicated via Facebook, but we are trying to
encourage them to explore and try other communication channels as
well.
The team was pretty "pumped up" for our approval application, which I
admit we "sneaked" into the October meeting agenda. There was a slight
disheartening when we did not got approved (mainly young members), but
we "elderly" were pretty happy with the fact that everyone liked what
we did so far and encouraged us to continue and possibly asked for
approval again in few months. It was also a great opportunity to get
some feedback, which did not seem bad at all.
We are looking into 2-3 presentations before now and New Year's and we
thought it would be cool to be able to share or give few CDs on those.
You might want to consider a smaller "start-up" package that could be
given to the new teams. Before we had free CDs we could order from
Ubuntu site, now those are available only for purchase.
From the administrative point I fully understand that it is not easy
to manage "unofficial" or "new" teams and keep track on who is
approved or "pre-approved", etc... so it is all good.
Best regards,
Tomo
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Paul Tagliamonte<paul...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Tomo Popovic<tp0...@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the term "Supported" rather than unapproved. :)
See, I don't disagree - however:
I'd hate new teams to get the wrong impression - the way that'd make
sense if "approved" (currently approved) teams become "supported"
(e.g. funded to a greater extent, access to resources), and
"unapproved" teams become "approved" (approved as an official LoCo
chapter)
I don't see the naming scheme working out the other way?
Someone please argue me back into sanity...
I think what you are saying would be very useful and important. I
personally think that smaller and new communities need to be cared for
as it is very easy to loose the momentum and motivation.
Please keep us posted if anything happens. We will probably just order
CDs in the store.
Regards,
Tomo
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Martin Owens<docto...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 08:27 -0500, Tomo Popovic wrote:
I was wondering what is the approach for UNAPPROVED teams?
Unfortunately, our LoCo Montenegro team was not approved last month,
but we are trying to keep the good momentum the team has had this
year. We were thinking of buying some CDs at Canonical store, but I
was wondering if there is any discount for the unapproved teams?
It would be very helpful to get few hats/shirts and maybe 40-50 CDs at
a discounted rate.
Please let me know if there is any options and discounts for "infant"
teams. Thank you.
Not at the moment, but there are some good ideas kicking around UDS for
supported teams. Which I think is a good idea as calling teams
'unapproved' is rather negative and we want new teams to be cared for.
Martin,
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