Thanks Patrick, Venka. This is exactly what we want to happen. We
want to warmly welcome new projects who follow open principles in
geospatial to OSGeo.
Best wishes,
Suchith
From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf
of Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.ho...@nasa.gov]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:44 AM
To: geoforall...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote
will be needed: geo4all relationship
Venka,
We would be delighted to see WorldWind included as part of the
OSGEO package!
https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WebWorldWind
https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindJava
Thanks for suggesting it!
As have Suchith, Charlie and Phil, and others in various ways.
NASA has a motto, 'for the benefit of all.'
This open source software surely speaks well to that.
The past few years of the Europe Challenge have been dedicated to
encouraging students to do useful ^open source^ things with it for
society.
And all of that still stands there today, thanks to the generous
support of that 2015 Sol Katz soul kitten, Prof Maria Antonia
Brovelli.
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
-Patrick
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From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:geoforall-ab-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On
Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:31 AM
To: OSGeo Board; geoforall...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote
will be needed: geo4all relationship
On 2015/11/27 3:04, Phillip Davis wrote:
Open source tools, like NASA WorldWind, are not supported nor
developed by OSGeo, but clearly come under the banner of G4A.
I think that is the same as what I have said. Also, "NASA OPEN
SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3" under which WorldWind is released is
compatible with OSI-certified open source license [1].
Would be great if it could be included as a part of the OSGeo-Live
package.
Best
Venka
[1] https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3
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From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf
Of Venkatesh Raghavan [ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:02 PM
To: OSGeo Board; geoforall...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote
will be needed: geo4all Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] relationship
Dear All,
I am traveling now and haven't had time to go through all the mails
in this thread. Maybe what I say below could be a bit off-topic.
OSGeo as a foundation has been inclusive and diverse. This is evident
from the presentations at our FOSS4G events of contents the our
OSGeo-Live which include several software projects that are not
OSGeo projects.
I think Geo4All takes up a similar position as our FOSS4G events
and OSGeo-Live to include projects that are not a part of OSGeo.
I have noticed some comments to the effect that OSGeo seems to
about OSGeo "products" and I do not think that is true (as evident
from our FOSS4G events and OSGeo Live package).
There has also been some talk about where do we draw a line on what
we can include under the umbrella of Geo4All. I believe that
Geo4All is an initiative to promote Free and Open Source Geospatial
Software. So any geospatial software that requires a proprietary
software or library to be installed before it can be executed can
neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All.
Also, any software that is not made available under a valid Open
Source License can neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All, I think.
Geo4All as an integral part of OSGeo (Scenario 1 and 1B) or OSGeo
being one of the "partners" of OSGeo is something that the Geo4All
advisory board has to decide.
OSGeo as a foundation, has a priority of supporting/promoting
software that are its integral part.
OSGeo has no issues with other open source software "products"
being a part of events and initiatives supported/fostered by OSGeo.
I would also like to mention that OSGeo student awards that were
presented at FOSS4G-2015 are for innovative use of OSGeo "products"
and as a foundation it is one of ways to promote wider use of OSGeo
"products".
Does ICA or ISPRS have some in-house projects or initiatives that
need to be included as a part of Geo4All initiative? Or is there
some compelling reason why Geo4All needs to be an independent
initiatives despite fact that the "partners" have concluded an MoU
to be "equal" partners in promoting Free and Open Software, Data,
Standards for Geospatial Education?
As I have mentioned before, Scenario 1 reflects what is presently
shown in the OSGeo and Geo4All websites. Scenario 1B is a variant
and only does away with the OSGeo Edu Committee. And my preference
would be for either 1 or 1B over Scenario 2.
Best
Venka
[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
On 2015/11/27 0:05, Sanghee Shin wrote:
+1
2015. 11. 26., 오후 8:36, Arnulf Christl
<arnulf.chri...@metaspatial.net작성:
Dear OSGeo Board,
if OSGeo does not manage to reactivate/reinvigorate the Education
Committee, then we will not have one. OSGeo is a do-ocracy, right?
This is how OSGeo functions. Forcing something in place just because
will probably not work.
In my opinion we should let Geo4All go where it wants to go,
otherwise chances are high we restrict it's potential. At the same
time I am absolutely sure that Geo4All will continue to focus on
good, solid Open Source software as we promote it through OSGeo. If
Geo4All were something that emerged "outside" of OSGeo then I would
absolutely push for joining and supporting the initiative. Does
this make any sense?
Geo4All Advisory Board,
I would like to keep the close bounds to OSGeo - simply because it is
the Open Source compass for geospatial Open Source and therefore the
natural place to go to for selecting best practice technology for
education.
Wrt. to the lab name "Geo4All Partners" sounds like a good middle
path.
I would refrain from externalizing Geo4All as a separate legal entity.
This will only eat up resources and divert energy from what we want
to achieve. Maybe at a later stage (and with too much funding coming
in) this may make sense, right now I do not really see the need (or
funding or volunteers).
Having responsible and thoroughly "Open Source" educated people act
as OSGeo liaison officer totally makes sense (as suggested Venka,
Helena).
Which option does this best map to? Not sure, seems like 2 would make
more sense? I do believe that option 1 and 1b look like OSGeo is
trying to "grab a hold of" Geo4All. Instead I would like to see us
"let go of it" and at the same time have the confidence that it will
always stick with OSGeo's mission, because there is solid involvement
from OSGeo folks and simply because our Open Source software is the
core asset for the labs.
Best regards,
Arnulf
On 18.11.2015 08:01, Suchith Anand wrote:
Thanks Jeff, Charlie, Venka, Jeroen for your inputs and ideas. I am
sure with the combined wisdom of everyone , we will find the best
solution.
As Charlie said we can keep promoting OSGeo and all OSGeo official
projects and keep partnership with educational (and research)
efforts with other open projects (who might one day join OSGeo). We
need to keep doors of collaborations open as it is key for growth.
Building Bridges (the theme of FOSS4G Bonn) is very appropriate and
also good point to think for next stage (10th Anniversary) of
OSGeo's growth.
Best wishes,
Suchith
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on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler [jeroen.tiche...@geocat.net]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:47 AM
*To:* geoforall...@lists.osgeo.org
*Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be
needed: [Board] geo4all relationship
Hi all,
I prefer option 1 as it seems to be the logical next step. However I
would suggest the OSGeo board to not force a big process of change
onto the geo4all committee. This transition could go step by step.
Options 1B and 2 are not optimal I think.
Greeting,
Jeroen
Op 18 nov. 2015 om 02:11 heeft Venkatesh Raghavan
<ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp <mailto:ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
het volgende geschreven:
I prefer Scenario 1 as it reflects more closely to the information
presently available on the OSGeo Website. I think Scenario 1 is less
confusion as it also clarifies the status of former Edu Committee.
Best
Venka
On 2015/11/18 6:17, Charles Schweik wrote:
Hi all,
I think I'd like to hear the opinions of others.
I lean toward 1b and want to keep rules 'lean'. I want to promote
OSGeo and OSGeo official projects, but I also want to make sure we
keep strong partnership with educational (and research) efforts with
other projects like NASA WorldWind.
But I don't want rules around organization hinder good strong open
geospatial science and education collaboration.
Cheers,
Charlie
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
<jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:
Hi Suchith,
I actually wrote option 1b, so I can tell you that this option only
works if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to focus on OSGeo as
its education committee. This document was drafted because it seems
that GeoForAll, as great as the initiative is for education, may not
always have OSGeo in their interests (as many GeoForAll members have
stated recently, that they should not be forced to promote OSGeo,
they should have a choice).
Well, this document was created because OSGeo really needs a
committee/existing initiative to always promote OSGeo.
So option1b can only work if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees
to always promote OSGeo, as its education "arm" of the foundation.
So before you overwhelmingly choose option 1b, please realize that
this would mean that GeoForAll would be responsible for always
promoting OSGeo.
So maybe GeoForAll needs to debate what is actually its focus, is it
OSGeo, or, is it in fact nothing to do with OSGeo, because it
promotes "open" through many different tools and organizations.
Personally, I want Option 1b, but at the same time, I also want
GeoForAll to realize that the OSGeo foundation needs a
committee/group/initiative to always be out there promoting OSGeo.
If this is a problem, then Option 1b unfortunately will not work.
I hope this explanation helps.
-jeff
On 2015-11-17 4:34 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
Hi Phillip,
Yes, if Option 1b gets more votes, then in this scenario Geo4All
would be required to name an officer who would liaise with the OSGeo
Board (as every other OSGeo committee does).
Then my suggestion is that someone who is an OSGeo Board member
(Venka or Helena) is nominated for this role.
Best wishes,
Suchith
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From: Phillip Davis [pda...@delmar.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM
To: Suchith Anand; Helena Mitasova;
geoforall...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: RE: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
[Board] geo4all relationship
Looks like 1a provides easiest implementation path and keeps
GeoForAll unique identity. Option 1b provides more autonomy for
GeoForAll, but the requirement for an officer is somewhat
problematic, since that would be more or less permanent and might
entail much footwork?
My vote is 1a.
Dr. Phillip Davis
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-----Original Message-----
From: GeoForAll-ab
[mailto:geoforall-ab-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Suchith
Anand
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:05 PM
To: Helena Mitasova; geoforall...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be
needed:
[Board] geo4all relationship
Thanks Helena. Please all AB members provide feedback and vote on
their choice of scenario by 30th Nov 2015.
Also Regional Chairs please inform your views on Regional chairs
being constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure if there is a
majority vote for Scenario 1? Yes/No
Best wishes,
Suchith
________________________________________
From: Helena Mitasova [hmit...@ncsu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:41 PM
To: geoforall...@lists.osgeo.org
Cc: Suchith Anand
Subject: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board]
geo4all relationship
Suchith,
thanks for presenting the GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship <
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationshipdocument to
the community.
I noticed that the link to the actual document was somewhat buried in
the forwarded email where it could be overlooked.
I am resending it at least for the advisory board because after
discussion a decision and vote on one of the options (perhaps with
some revisions) will be needed.
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
Helena
On Nov 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Suchith Anand <
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.ukwrote:
Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and forwarding
to Geo4All advisory Board and community.
Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,
Recently there had been discussions on the future directions for
Geo4All .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a
meeting at Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot
of discussions among our members in our mail lists etc and the
meeting at Como[1] that was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was
that OSGeo Education and Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the
same and it is now GeoForAll:
OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo website
at http://www.osgeo.org/education . Venka has also presented this
outcomes at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive
and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for
expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome
everyone who are following the principles.
Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up OSGeo's
education aims by collaborating with like minded organisations and it
is one of the most successful initiatives that we have undertaken.
OSGeo Board has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for
expanding Geo4All and universities,SMEs, government organisations etc
worldwide have trusted the MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs
and joined the network , so it is important we provide strong
continuity and focus.
MoUs have to be respected and the momentum created need to build upon
with clear direction and focus.
It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to
be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's
Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other
organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the
efforts put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the
future.
Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities
globally .Members have been running courses,training events,workshops
using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of
students
globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally.
Geo4All members have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum
development effort and will continue to expand this by having more
course materials in various OSGeo software added to the OSGeo
education repository for everyone to make use of for their teaching
and education.
We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs
with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and
warmly welcome everyone who are following the principles. That way
the OSGeo Board will be able to keep expanding the initiative and to
make MoUs with other organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA,
ISPRS) and also in future .
So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to
GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS
and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers
for this is build upon for the future.
There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the
options - Scenario 1 seems to be best option based on the Como
discussions for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's
Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other
organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include
representatives from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All
Advisory Board comprises of representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo
and other organisations that join in future. As a partner in the
Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering Committee (PSC) comprising of
VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of
Geo4All) need to be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation.
The PSC could liaise with Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and
means to achieve mutual goals and objectives.
Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All)
please let us know if you are happy to being constituted within the
OSGeo Foundation structure?
May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their
suggestions on this, so we can move forward. It is important that
proper structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure
the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep
collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has
MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of
volunteers for this is built upon for the future.
Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.
Best wishes,
Suchith
[1]
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting
[2] http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2
From: Board [board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Jody Garnett
[jody.garn...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM
To: bo...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Board] geo4all relationship
I have added an entry to our wiki for:
Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of
GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship with Geo4All advisory board
Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on the
GeoForAll advisory board.
Thank you for taking on what is an important relationship for our
foundation objectives.
--
Jody Garnett
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