Thanks for checking, Michael.

Grant


On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 1:21 AM Michael Paoli <
michael.pa...@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> > From: "Rick Moen" <r...@linuxmafia.com>
> > Subject: Re: [dvlug] dvlug.org reboot
> > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 00:41:30 -0800
>
> > Quoting Grant Bowman (gr...@dvlug.org):
> >
> >> I've finalized the move to list@dvlug.org so please use only the new
> >> address.
>
> Uhm, ... for some definitions of finalized and move?
>
> I know in past, I've found it quite ambiguous as to which list
> is the "real" DVLUG list.  Notably as things weren't highly
> clear on the web site, and/or there was never proper notification
> to the "other" list.  So, to cover the bases, I'd, e.g. use/email
> both, and be subscribed to both.
>
> Well ... this most recent "announcement",
> the one from linuxmafia.com hit my inbox,
> the other ... I didn't see it ... went digging, it got
> flagged as spam ... well, stuff happens, whatever.
>
> Then I'm like, okay, DVLUG's been around quite a number of years.
> Let's see if this "new"/reboot list has the list archives.
> So ... I go find that and ... a grand total of 4 emails there,
> for ... how many years of DVLUG's existence?
>
> So ... certain definitions of "finalized" and "move" ...
> like bye-bye history?
>
> So, ... someone just discovers a LUG, say DVLUG,
> want to see what it's up too, how active, what it's done ...
> look over website, see what's updated, find list,
> look over list, archives, all goes to ... uhm, 4 emails
> in the entire archive?  And it's not like it's announcing some
> brand new LUG that just came into existence.  Yeah, from
> the archives would seem more like a wanna be LUG.
> Lots 'o meetings past, podcasts/recordings, much etc.,
> where's anybody gonna see that if they start off
> around dvlug.org and get pointed off to the list@dvlug.org list
> and go look at its archives?
>
> And, thinking of which, this thrilling "new" (retread) list
> and move ... can it be backed up, can its archvies be backed up,
> can that be done in a useful form where they can be restored or
> migrated.  Have they even been backed up?
>
> I know there's been fair bit 'o traffic on that
> non-linuxmafia.com DVLUG list ... so, where's the backups of
> all the archives of all the email ever on that list?
>
> I know if I search I can find email sent to list@dvlug.org
> going way back ... many emails ... but does DVLUG have that and
> other emails to that list somewhere?  The archive seems to only show
> 4 emails ... well, now I see 5.
> Seems something's rather missing, eh?
>
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