> > There is no comparison between the elegance of X11 property setting and a > > chunk of proposed kernel code that is half the size of a tiny X server! > > Hey, take that up with Havoc, he made the comparison :)
And it concerns me you blindly repeat it without realising its wrong. > > The dbus model is also flawed in a load of other ways in user space > > because message handling in the hands of people with no concept of > > systemic performance analysis just leads to disaster. One of the big > > reasons dbus is so "slow" isn't that dbus is "slow", it's that the > > crapware on top of it makes *thousands* of dbus queries. > > There's the issue of thousands of dbus queries, and then there's the > issue that making those queries takes a measurable amount of time. We > can fix the later one, the first one, well, not so much, but we can > provide the resources for them to make a faster system if they want to. If you fix the thousands of queries problem do you need kernel help at all. > The internet model with state in the endpoints doesn't always transfer > properly to local applications, see Havoc's email for the details about > that. URL ? (note how beautifully btw the stateless network and the URL string will become a reference to state) > > It's telling that I can lose and recover my internet connection without > > rebooting but not my desktops internal messaging. > > Yes, as those are totally different things, let's not mix the issue up > here please. They are *NOT* different things. They are fundamental properties of the underlying architecture. I worked on stateful networks and still have the scars. It is a fundamental property of stateful network that every time any key component goes castors up you lose the lot. It is a fairly fundamental property of stateless networks that equipment going castors up has no material impact on the network The internet is built upon three fundamental breakthroughs in technology - That stateless networks scale and can be reliable while stateful ones cannot scale and cannot be fixed to do so - That flow control is possible over a stateless network - That efficient data routing is possible over a stateless network Those are absolutely critical parts of any network or messaging implementation. Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
