> I suspect that the main problem is that this patch is not a mainstream > kernel feature that will gain multiple uses, but rather provides > support for a specific vendor middleware product used by that > vendor and a few closely allied vendors. If it were smaller or > less intrusive, such as a driver, this would not be a big problem. > That's not the case.
yes, that's the crux. CKRM is all about resolving conflicting resource demands in a multi-user, multi-server, multi-purpose machine. this is a huge undertaking, and I'd argue that it's completely inappropriate for *most* servers. that is, computers are generally so damn cheap that the clear trend is towards dedicating a machine to a specific purpose, rather than running eg, shell/MUA/MTA/FS/DB/etc all on a single machine. this is *directly* in conflict with certain prominent products, such as the Altix and various less-prominent Linux-based mainframes. they're all about partitioning/virtualization - the big-iron aesthetic of splitting up a single machine. note that it's not just about "big", since cluster-based approaches can clearly scale far past big-iron, and are in effect statically partitioned. yes, buying a hideously expensive single box, and then chopping it into little pieces is more than a little bizarre, and is mainly based on a couple assumptions: - that clusters are hard. really, they aren't. they are not necessarily higher-maintenance, can be far more robust, usually do cost less. just about the only bad thing about clusters is that they tend to be somewhat larger in size. - that partitioning actually makes sense. the appeal is that if you have a partition to yourself, you can only hurt yourself. but it also follows that burstiness in resource demand cannot be overlapped without either constantly tuning the partitions or infringing on the guarantee. CKRM is one of those things that could be done to Linux, and will benefit a few, but which will almost certainly hurt *most* of the community. let me say that the CKRM design is actually quite good. the issue is whether the extensive hooks it requires can be done (at all) in a way which does not disporportionately hurt maintainability or efficiency. CKRM requires hooks into every resource-allocation decision fastpath: - if CKRM is not CONFIG, the only overhead is software maintenance. - if CKRM is CONFIG but not loaded, the overhead is a pointer check. - if CKRM is CONFIG and loaded, the overhead is a pointer check and a nontrivial callback. but really, this is only for CKRM-enforced limits. CKRM really wants to change behavior in a more "weighted" way, not just causing an allocation/fork/packet to fail. a really meaningful CKRM needs to be tightly integrated into each resource manager - effecting each scheduler (process, memory, IO, net). I don't really see how full-on CKRM can be compiled out, unless these schedulers are made fully pluggable. finally, I observe that pluggable, class-based resource _limits_ could probably be done without callbacks and potentially with low overhead. but mere limits doesn't meet CKRM's goal of flexible, wide-spread resource partitioning within a large, shared machine. regards, mark hahn. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/