At 12:53 PM 2/24/2005 -0500, Chad N. Tindel wrote:
> > Hmmm... Are you suggesting it is OK for a kernel to get nearly completely
> > hosed and for not fully utilize all the processors in the system because
> > of one SCHED_FIFO thread?
>
> Sure.  You specifically directed the scheduler to run your thread at a
> higher priority than anything else.  The way I see it, you used root's
> perogative to shoot himself in the foot.  You could also have used root's
> perogative to don steel toed shoes(set important kernel threads to a higher
> priority) before pulling the trigger.

No, I specifically directed the scheduler to run my thread at a higher
priority than any other userspace application.  The fact that I wrote it
in userspace and not in kernel space implies that I am OK with the kernel
stopping me sometimes when _it_ has work to do.  If I wanted something
higher priority than the kernel I would have written something in kernel
space instead.

Nope. You may have _thought_ you told it that, but the reality is as I described it.


>   SCHED_FIFO thread are supposed to preempt
> > all other userspace threads... not the kernel itself.
>
> Not so.  The scheduler makes do distinction between user and kernel threads
> of execution.

That is SOOOO broken it isn't even funny.

I heartily disagree. I call it flexible/powerful.

> If you think that's broken, you'll _love_ Ingo's IRQ threads...

Yeah, thats broken too.

(You're not noticing the added power it gives you.)

Perhaps I don't understand this philosophy you have where the kernel
isn't more important than everything else.  It seems to me like there needs
to be a rigid hierarchy for scheduling, lest you get into deadlock problems:

Some kernel thread flushing buffers should be more important than my userland trigger-pacemaker thread?


Under no circumstances should any single CPU-bound userspace thread completely
hose a 64-way SMP box.

I can certainly agree that any service which is required across processor borders wants to be very high priority indeed, and I can further agree that this crossing of borders would not exist in a perfect world.


-Mike

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