On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 04:11:30PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > On 02/26/2014 03:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: > >> > >> What do we need to do to actually make our tools be able to do work for > >> us? Newbie projects to clean up? Trying to get the larger Linux > >> companies to put resources on it? > > > > It's not the easiest "newbie" project as usually the first reflex to > > "just cast it away" is wrong for a lot of sparse warnings. I know this > > from people trying to fix up the sparse warnings in drivers/staging/ > > > > I have seen this phenomenon, too. I also see a bunch of sparse warnings > which are clearly bogus, for example complaining about sizeof(bool) when > in bits like: > > __this_cpu_write(swallow_nmi, false); > > So getting this to the point where it is genuinely useful and can be > made a ubiquitous part of the Linux development process is going to take > more work and probably involve improvements to sparse so we can indicate > in the kernel sources when something is okay or removing completely > bogus warnings, and so on.
Yes, for some areas of the kernel it will take some work, but for others, sparse works really well. As an example, building all of drivers/usb/* with sparse only brings up 2 issues, both of which should probably be fixed (or annotated properly in the case of the locking warning.) So keeping things "sparse clean" there is quite easy and part of taking new patches. > The bigger question, again, is what do we need to do to make this > happen, assuming it is worth doing? We certainly have had bugs, > including security holes, which sparse would have caught. At the same > time, this kind of work tends to not be the kind that attract the top > hackers, unfortunately, as it is not "fun". I guess the first thing would be to do is look to try to fix things like the "bool" issue you have here. And just grind away at the issues, one by one. Some of us like doing those types of things, so I'm sure you can find people willing to do it if you get the word out. Once we hit a "tipping point" of the kernel being almost sparse clean, having the main subsystem maintainers always run it would be good. I know the 0-day bot runs it, as I get patches all the time from it to fix up some sparse warnings. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
