On 18 February 2014 12:53, Peter Zijlstra <pet...@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:12:06PM +0000, Peter Sewell wrote:
>> Several of you have said that the standard and compiler should not
>> permit speculative writes of atomics, or (effectively) that the
>> compiler should preserve dependencies.
>
> The example below only deals with control dependencies; so I'll limit
> myself to that.
Data/address dependencies are, if anything, even less clear - see a
paragraph on that in my reply to Paul.
>> In simple examples it's easy
>> to see what that means, but in general it's not so clear what the
>> language should guarantee, because dependencies may go via non-atomic
>> code in other compilation units, and we have to consider the extent to
>> which it's desirable to limit optimisation there.
>>
>> For example, suppose we have, in one compilation unit:
>>
>> void f(int ra, int*rb) {
>> if (ra==42)
>> *rb=42;
>> else
>> *rb=42;
>> }
>>
>> and in another compilation unit the bodies of two threads:
>>
>> // Thread 0
>> r1 = x;
>> f(r1,&r2);
>> y = r2;
>>
>> // Thread 1
>> r3 = y;
>> f(r3,&r4);
>> x = r4;
>>
>> where accesses to x and y are annotated C11 atomic
>> memory_order_relaxed or Linux ACCESS_ONCE(), accesses to
>> r1,r2,r3,r4,ra,rb are not annotated, and x and y initially hold 0.
>
> So I'm intuitively ok with this, however I would expect something like:
>
> void f(_Atomic int ra, _Atomic int *rb);
>
> To preserve dependencies and not make the conditional go away, simply
> because in that case the:
>
> if (ra == 42)
>
> the 'ra' usage can be seen as an atomic load.
>
>> So as far as we can see, either:
>>
>> 1) if you can accept the latter behaviour (if the Linux codebase does
>> not rely on its absence), the language definition should permit it,
>> and current compiler optimisations can be used,
>
> Currently there's exactly 1 site in the Linux kernel that relies on
> control dependencies as far as I know -- the one I put in.
ok, thanks
> And its
> limited to a single function, so no cross translation unit funnies
> there.
One can imagine a language definition that treats code that lies
entirely within a single compilation unit specially (e.g. if it's
somehow annotated as relying on dependencies). But I imagine it would
be pretty unappealing to work with.
> Of course, nobody is going to tell me when or where they'll put in the
> next one; since its now documented as accepted practise.
Is that not fragile?
> However, PaulMck and our RCU usage very much do cross all sorts of TU
> boundaries; but those are data dependencies.
yes - though again see my reply to Paul's note
thanks,
Peter
> ~ Peter
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