On 13 September 2013 19:20, Mark Rutland <mark.rutl...@arm.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 04:46:42PM +0100, cinifr wrote:
>> >You seem to be suggesting a kernel change (using CNTPCT), but also
>> >bootloader changes (setting CNTHCTL.PL1PCTEN) to make this possible at
>> >all. If the bootloader needs to be modified, why can it not be modified
>> >to set CNTVOFF (or to boot the kernel in Hyp where it can set it
>> >itself)?
>>
>> I think kernel should can support both CNTVCT and CNTPCT. Yes, if
>> bootloader have set CNTVOFF to zero, then CNTVCT is OK, kvm guest
>> using CNTVCT can run more efficient then that using CNTPCT. but if
>> bootloader dont set it, how about kernel booting? I think kernel
>> should try it's best to boot and run ok even bootload dont set any
>> generic timer register including CNTVOFF and CNTHCTL. So i gave a
>> compile options using CNTPCT. That is only options, If CNTVCT can not
>> working, you have others choice.
>> Of cause, It is best that kerne can select which timer count is used
>> in running time,
>
> CNTVOFF doesn't need to be zero -- when a guest runs under a hypervisor,
> CNTVOFF may change across a suspend/resume of a VM (to give the guest
> the illusion that time wasn't ticking when it wasn't running). All
> that's required is that all the CPUs have the same CNTVOFF value, and
> this has been valid for all platforms so far.
>
> Does CNTVOFF vary between your CPUs, or are they a consistent value
> (event if it's not zero)?
Yes, It is vary in A20 CPUS,
> For ARMv8 systems, CNTVOFF and CNTHCTL reset to an UNDEFINED value, so
> we cannot rely on the physical timers and counters being available --
> the firmware and/or hypervisor must set at least one of them for an OS
> to be able to use the system. The virtual timers and counters are
> *always* available to PL1/EL1, so our best bet is to use them.
>
> I'd prefer not to have to have a run-time solution to a problem that can
> be avoided entirely with a simple modification to the bootloader now.
I agree it now,
>>
>> >I'm not sure what you mean by selecting which timer to use be reading
>> >the current running mode. We currently decide to use CNTVCT if booted in
>> >PL1, or CNTPCT if booted in Hyp. I assume this isn't the mode you're
>> >referring to?
>> Yep, kernel can run PL1 NS=1, PL1 NS=0, PL2. If kernel can know
>> current running Mode.then kernel can chose which timer is OK in
>> running time. 1: If kernel is runing at PL2 and PL1 NS=0, then CNTPCT
>> is OK in any case even CNTVOFF is not zero and CNTHCTL.PL1PCTEN is
>> zero. 2: if kernel is running at PL1 NS=1,then kernel maybe should
>> select CNTVCT. But it has risk to using CNTVCT when CNTVOFF is not
>> zero.
>> How to deal with the case CNTHCTL.PL1PCTEN is zero and CNTVOFF is not
>> zero? current kernel cant using any arch timer incluing CNTVCT and
>> CNTPCT. with this case, I think kernel should use CNTVCT by other
>> ways: Kernel runing CPUn read CNTVCT and save it to local variable
>> for example InitVctVALUEn in initialization, then kernel running CPUn
>> read timer later return a value as ReadTIMERn=CNTVCTn-InitVctVALUEn,
>> This way can run in any generic timer registe set and in any kernel
>> runing mode. I try to write this patch for new way. But the new way
>> should need more time than old in read timer funcation because it
>> need more calculate.
>
> I don't think that would work. You have no way of ensuring that all CPUs
> read CNTVCT at the same time, so they may record offsets that give them
> different views of time. Consider the case that CNTVOFF was zero on all
> CPUs. CPU0 and CPU1 might read CNTVCT at different instants, and CPU1
> could record its offset as 100 while CPU1 could record its offset as
> 2000. That would leave CPU1 thinking it's further ahead in time than
> CPU0, which could break all sorts of things. AFAICS there's no way of
> telling this apart from each CPU booting with a different CNTVOFF.
> As SMP support for this platform is not yet in mainline, and the
> bootloader can be fixed to set CNTVOFF (as KVM and Xen do for guests),
> we should get the bootloader to set CNTVOFF to a consistent value across
> all CPUs.
Yes, you are right, I will remove phy count timer support patch.and
try to modify bootloader for fix the problem. Bootloader do it better,
more simple and more efficiency.
Thanks
Fan.
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