On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:58:32 -0700
Andy Lutomirski <l...@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:21 AM Masami Hiramatsu <mhira...@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 11:30:44 +0200
> > Borislav Petkov <b...@alien8.de> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 04:31:00PM +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote:
> > > > No, insn_get_length() implies it decodes whole of the instruction.
> > > > (yeah, we need an alias of that, something like insn_get_complete())
> > >
> > > That's exactly what I'm trying to point out: the whole API is not
> > > entirely wrong - it just needs a better naming and documentation. Now,
> > > the implication that getting the length of the insn will give you a full
> > > decode is a totally internal detail which users don't need and have to
> > > know.
> >
> > Ok, what names would you like to suggest? insn_get_complete()?
> >
> > > > I need insn.length too. Of course we can split it into 2 calls. But
> > > > as I said, since the insn_get_length() implies it decodes all other
> > > > parts, I just called it once.
> > >
> > > Yes, I have noticed that and wrote about it further on. The intent was
> > > to show that the API needs work.
> > >
> > > > Hm, it is better to call insn_get_immediate() if it doesn't use length
> > > > later.
> > >
> > > Ok, so you see the problem. This thing wants to decode the whole insn -
> > > that's what the function is called. But it reads like it does something
> > > else.
> > >
> > > > Would you mean we'd better have something like
> > > > insn_get_until_immediate() ?
> > > >
> > > > Since the x86 instruction is CISC, we can not decode intermediate
> > > > parts. The APIs follows that. If you are confused, I'm sorry about that.
> > >
> > > No, I'm not confused - again, I'd like for the API to be properly
> > > defined and callers should not have to care which parts of the insn they
> > > need to decode in order to get something else they actually need.
> >
> > Sorry, I can not get what you point. We already have those APIs,
> >
> > extern void insn_init(struct insn *insn, const void *kaddr, int buf_len,
> > int x86_64);
> > extern void insn_get_prefixes(struct insn *insn);
> > extern void insn_get_opcode(struct insn *insn);
> > extern void insn_get_modrm(struct insn *insn);
> > extern void insn_get_sib(struct insn *insn);
> > extern void insn_get_displacement(struct insn *insn);
> > extern void insn_get_immediate(struct insn *insn);
> > extern void insn_get_length(struct insn *insn);
> >
> > As I agreed, that we may need an alias of insn_get_length(). But it seems
> > clear to me, if you need insn.immediate, you must call insn_get_immediate().
>
> I'm guessing that the confusion here is that the kernel instruction
> decoder was originally designed to be used to decode kernel
> instructions, which are generally trusted to be valid, but that it's
> starting to be used to decode user code and such as well.
Hmm, right...
>
> Masami, could we perhaps have an extra API like:
>
> extern int insn_decode_fully(struct insn *insn);
>
> that decodes the *entire* instruction, returns success if the decoder
> thinks the instruction is valid, and returns an error if the decoder
> thinks it's invalid? We would use this when decoding arbitrary bytes
> when we're not really sure that there's a valid instruction there.
> For user code emulation, we don't really care much about performance
> -- the overhead of getting #GP in the first place is much, much higher
> than the overhead of decoding more of the instruction than needed.
OK, would you think we also better to integrate it with insn_init()?
> Ideally we would solve another little problem at the same time. Right
> now, we are quite sloppy about how we fetch the instruction bytes, and
> it might be nice to fix this. It would be nice if we could have a
> special error code saying "more bytes are needed". So
> insn_decode_fully() would return 0 (or the length) on a successful
> decode, -EINVAL if the bytes are not a valid instruction, and -EAGAIN
> (or something more appropriate)
Maybe -ERANGE?
> if the bytes are a valid *prefix* of
> an instruction but more bytes are needed. Then the caller would do:
>
> len = min(15, remaining bytes in page);
> fetch len bytes;
> insn_init();
> ret = insn_decode_fully();
> if (ret == -EAGAIN) {
> fetch remaining 15 - len bytes;
> insn_init();
> ret = insn_decode_fully();
> }
>
> It's a bit impolite to potentially cause page faults on the page after
> a short instruction, but it's also not so good to fail to decode a
> long instruction that happens to cross a page boundary.
OK.
Borislav, would you handle it? I think you already started.
Thank you,
--
Masami Hiramatsu <mhira...@kernel.org>
