On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 07:59:02AM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > > The compiler can also reorder non-volatile accesses. For an example > > patch that cares about this, please see: > > > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/7/280 > > > > This patch uses an ORDERED_WRT_IRQ() in rcu_read_lock() and > > rcu_read_unlock() to ensure that accesses aren't reordered with respect > > to interrupt handlers and NMIs/SMIs running on that same CPU. > > Good, finally we have some code to discuss (even though it's > not actually in the kernel yet).
There was some earlier in this thread as well. > First of all, I think this illustrates that what you want > here has nothing to do with atomic ops. The ORDERED_WRT_IRQ > macro occurs a lot more times in your patch than atomic > reads/sets. So *assuming* that it was necessary at all, > then having an ordered variant of the atomic_read/atomic_set > ops could do just as well. Indeed. If I could trust atomic_read()/atomic_set() to cause the compiler to maintain ordering, then I could just use them instead of having to create an ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(). (Or ACCESS_ONCE(), as it is called in a different patch.) > However, I still don't know which atomic_read/atomic_set in > your patch would be broken if there were no volatile. Could > you please point them out? Suppose I tried replacing the ORDERED_WRT_IRQ() calls with atomic_read() and atomic_set(). Starting with __rcu_read_lock(): o If "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(__get_cpu_var(rcu_flipctr)[idx])++" was ordered by the compiler after "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting) = nesting + 1", then suppose an NMI/SMI happened after the rcu_read_lock_nesting but before the rcu_flipctr. Then if there was an rcu_read_lock() in the SMI/NMI handler (which is perfectly legal), the nested rcu_read_lock() would believe that it could take the then-clause of the enclosing "if" statement. But because the rcu_flipctr per-CPU variable had not yet been incremented, an RCU updater would be within its rights to assume that there were no RCU reads in progress, thus possibly yanking a data structure out from under the reader in the SMI/NMI function. Fatal outcome. Note that only one CPU is involved here because these are all either per-CPU or per-task variables. o If "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting) = nesting + 1" was ordered by the compiler to follow the "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_flipctr_idx) = idx", and an NMI/SMI happened between the two, then an __rcu_read_lock() in the NMI/SMI would incorrectly take the "else" clause of the enclosing "if" statement. If some other CPU flipped the rcu_ctrlblk.completed in the meantime, then the __rcu_read_lock() would (correctly) write the new value into rcu_flipctr_idx. Well and good so far. But the problem arises in __rcu_read_unlock(), which then decrements the wrong counter. Depending on exactly how subsequent events played out, this could result in either prematurely ending grace periods or never-ending grace periods, both of which are fatal outcomes. And the following are not needed in the current version of the patch, but will be in a future version that either avoids disabling irqs or that dispenses with the smp_read_barrier_depends() that I have 99% convinced myself is unneeded: o nesting = ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting); o idx = ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(rcu_ctrlblk.completed) & 0x1; Furthermore, in that future version, irq handlers can cause the same mischief that SMI/NMI handlers can in this version. Next, looking at __rcu_read_unlock(): o If "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting) = nesting - 1" was reordered by the compiler to follow the "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(__get_cpu_var(rcu_flipctr)[idx])--", then if an NMI/SMI containing an rcu_read_lock() occurs between the two, this nested rcu_read_lock() would incorrectly believe that it was protected by an enclosing RCU read-side critical section as described in the first reversal discussed for __rcu_read_lock() above. Again, fatal outcome. This is what we have now. It is not hard to imagine situations that interact with -both- interrupt handlers -and- other CPUs, as described earlier. Thanx, Paul - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/