On Jun 16, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 05:22:21AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > because it could easily be argued that they linked the BIOS with the >> > Linux kernel >> >> How so?
> Er, they installed it in the same piece of equipment, and the kernel > couldn't function without it in that work. I see what you're getting at. You're thinking of a license that doesn't respect the idea of "mere aggregation", right? For starters, this wouldn't evidently not qualify as an Open Source license, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't qualify as a Free Software license either. > By using GPLix as part of their boot process along with their > non-GPL BIOS, they're subverting the freedoms that the user should > have in being able to control the entire boot process. You're pushing the "freedom to change" too far. Sure, I'd like to be able to do that, and I prefer hardware that lets me do it, but it's not like this BIOS in the scenario you described is being used as a means to stop me from modifying the GPLed software. I have never said that including a GPLed piece of software should grant users the right to modify anything whatsoever in the system, or grant them control over the entire system. Others have, but it's not true, it just shows how much mis-information is floating around. All the GPL stands for is to defend the freedom of the users over the particular program it applies to. You can't impose further restrictions on the user's ability to modify what *that* software does. If you wanted to change something else, but this something else is not covered by the license, and is not being used to contradict the terms of the license, well, too bad, you lose. > b) deny themselves the ability to every offer a patch to said BIOS if > bugs are found > Point (b) is also exactly on topic for the discussion of enforcing > legal safety obligations in hardware on a peripheral rather than the > software drivers. > It's requiring that these limitations be placed in a technically > inferior location to hack around a legal "bug". I don't think this last sentence is true. If you implement hardware locks that prevent modification of the software even by yourself, then you're in compliance with the terms of the GPLv3dd4. But IANAL. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
