On Saturday 27 January 2007 15:01, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> Denis Vlasenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 26 January 2007 19:23, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> >> Denis Vlasenko wrote:
> >> > On Thursday 25 January 2007 21:45, Michael Tokarev wrote:
>
> >> >> But even single-threaded I/O but in large quantities benefits from
> >> >> O_DIRECT significantly, and I pointed this out before.
> >> >
> >> > Which shouldn't be true. There is no fundamental reason why
> >> > ordinary writes should be slower than O_DIRECT.
> >> >
> >> Other than the copy to buffer taking CPU and memory resources.
> >
> > It is not required by any standard that I know. Kernel can be smarter
> > and avoid that if it can.
>
> The kernel can also solve the halting problem if it can.
>
> Do you really think an entropy estamination code on all access patterns in the
> system will be free as in beer,
Actually I think we need this heuristic:
if (opened_with_O_STREAM && buffer_is_aligned
&& io_size_is_a_multiple_of_sectorsize)
do_IO_directly_to_user_buffer_without_memcpy
is not *that* compilcated.
I think that we can get rid of O_DIRECT peculiar requirements
"you *must* not cache me" + "you *must* write me directly to bare metal"
by replacing it with O_STREAM ("*advice* to not cache me") + O_SYNC
("write() should return only when data is written to storage, not sooner").
Why?
Because these O_DIRECT "musts" are rather unusual and overkill. Apps
should not have that much control over what kernel does internally;
and also O_DIRECT was mixing shampoo and conditioner on one bottle
(no-cache and sync writes) - bad API.
--
vda
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