On Wed, 4 May 2016 16:07:44 -0700
Peter Hurley <pe...@hurleysoftware.com> wrote:

> Hi Julio,
> 
> On 05/04/2016 04:00 PM, Julio Guerra wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > When a tty (here a slave pty) is set in noncanonical input and blocking 
> > read modes, a read() randomly blocks when:
> > "VMIN > kernel received >= user buffer size > 0".
> > 
> > The standard says that read() should block until VMIN bytes are received 
> > [1][2]. Whether this is an implementation defined case not really specified 
> > by POSIX or not, it should not behave randomly (otherwise it really should 
> > be documented in termios manpage).  
> 
> This is not a bug.
> 
> >From the termios(3) man page:  
> 
>        * MIN > 0; TIME == 0: read(2) blocks until the lesser of MIN bytes or 
> the number of bytes requested are avail‐
>          able, and returns the lesser of these two values.

The standard says

        Case B: MIN>0, TIME=0

        In case B, since the value of TIME is zero, the timer plays no
        role and only MIN is significant. A pending read shall not be
        satisfied until MIN bytes are received (that is, the pending read
        shall block until MIN bytes are received), or a signal is
        received. A program that uses case B to read record-based
        terminal I/O may block indefinitely in the read operation.

That is if you do 


        read(fd, buf, 3)

and MIN is 5, the read should not return until there are 5 bytes in the
queue. The following code is guaranteed to work reliably by the standard
with TIME 0 MIN 5 (ignoring signals for the moment)


        read(fd, buf, 3);
        fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, FNDELAY);
        assert(read(fd, buf, 2) == 2);

Historically this behaviour was useful for things like block transfer
protocols, especially with offloaded serial processing.

So actually I think we do have a bug, the behaviuour is not standards
compliant, and the man page documents the erroneous behaviour.

Alan


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