Thanks both of you for your input. Yes I'm aware of the caveats (luckily I get to play with AWS, and AWS automation, all day in my current job :) ).
Cheers, --Amos On 15 January 2015 at 21:17, Etzion Bar-Noy <eza...@tournament.org.il> wrote: > I believe that the time required for system start depends on the list of > services. It could be shorted than two minutes, or longer. Depends. > > I used a condition - 'if' he can trim the image to startup in about 15 > seconds, it becomes feasible. > > Etzion > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda <ladyp...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hi Amos, Etzion, >> >> You are talking about 15 seconds for bringing up the machine, and about >> shutting down the machine according to idleness detection. Last time I >> checked (and maybe I am not up-to-date), >> 1. It took about two minutes to bring up the machine. >> 2. Amazon charged per full hour. That is, if you use the instance for 20 >> minutes, shut it down and then bring it up for 20 minutes, you pay for two >> hours. So it might be beneficial to wait a bit, at least until the end of a >> full hour. >> >> Orna >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Amos Shapira <amos.shap...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Etzion. >>> >>> Yes you are on the same track as me. >>> >>> An unmapped Elastic IP will cost $3.65/month, which is a significant >>> amount in comparison to the numbers I'm looking at skimming, so you are >>> probably right about using a no-ip address. >>> >>> Finding the instance IP is a matter of a trivial "curl" call to the >>> right URL, and no-ip can just use the current update requests source >>> address automatically anyway. >>> >>> The next step would be to automatically identify idleness of the >>> application for automatic shut down. >>> >>> Would people in the audience here see themselves using such a service >>> (to fire up your server) if it was offered? >>> >>> --Amos >>> >>> >>> On 15 January 2015 at 09:38, Etzion Bar-Noy <eza...@tournament.org.il> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Amos. >>>> It means you make use of an instance which is very quick to load. >>>> Removing non-esential services, or postponing them to after Jira starts, >>>> using a lightweight system, etc. If you can remove boot-time hogs, you can >>>> reach a fast-booting system. A script using Amazon API will prepare it for >>>> you. >>>> I wouldn't use the elastic IP because of its price (I get the feeling >>>> you seek something cheap). no-ip.com or other no-dns services could do >>>> the trick, except that the VM in Amazon network is unaware of its external >>>> IP (you might be able to query that using the API, BTW), and that it might >>>> take a few minutes (one, maybe more) before you could connect to the >>>> machine, because their update might no be immediate. >>>> Other than that - seems fine. >>>> >>>> Etzion >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Amos Shapira <amos.shap...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Etzion, just a question: "Amos 0 if you can customise your instance >>>>> to be very very light," - what do you mean by that? >>>>> >>>>> Your description is close to what I have in mind. >>>>> >>>>> As for the changing IP address - this can be easily overcome using >>>>> Elastic IP and/or no-ip.com and friends. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> --Amos >>>>> >>>>> On 13 January 2015 at 08:11, Etzion Bar-Noy <eza...@tournament.org.il> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Except that NUC costs about 700+ ILS (I have three. I know. This is >>>>>> the Celeron version). >>>>>> Amos 0 if you can customise your instance to be very very light, and >>>>>> it can startup in about 15 seconds or so, it is acceptable to have it >>>>>> on-demand. You can wrap it in a script (using AWS API and tools) to just >>>>>> start it up. Since it will be about 15 seconds boot/startup time, you >>>>>> will >>>>>> find that very economical, and very simple to achieve. In any case, >>>>>> considering your requirements, this does seem to be the most simple and >>>>>> easy solution. Note that your IP *will* change each time you start >>>>>> your instance, so your API interface should also tell you what's the IP >>>>>> address of the machine (or you could use some no-dns service, but it will >>>>>> probably be slower). >>>>>> >>>>>> Etzion >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:57 PM, E.S. Rosenberg < >>>>>> esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know what type of load JIRA presents but for low load >>>>>>> private stuff a raspberrypi or something similar (for heavier but still >>>>>>> fairly 'light' stuff maybe an Intel NUC system or a mini-itx system) at >>>>>>> home + noip/dyndns or some other form of locating it by yourself can be >>>>>>> more then enough.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-01-08 11:37 GMT+02:00 Amos Shapira <amos.shap...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was thinking about running it on my own laptop, and perhaps I >>>>>>>> will. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But that would mean leaving it on around the clock which I don't >>>>>>>> want to (I'm very conscious of power consumption, both economically and >>>>>>>> environmentally), and I don't carry it with me most of the time but >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> like to have access to my server from both my mobile and workplace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8 January 2015 at 19:59, Vitaly <li...@karasik.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Amos, >>>>>>>>> IMHO, it's not technical, but more "human" issue. For example, as >>>>>>>>> far as you decide that you need Jira every last day of month, you can >>>>>>>>> launch instance automatically. >>>>>>>>> But typically Jira usage is more random, so I don't think there >>>>>>>>> is technical solution exist. >>>>>>>>> If you're the only Jira user, why don't run it from your own >>>>>>>>> computer for free? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And, BTW, AWS reserved instances allow you to modify everything; >>>>>>>>> plus up-front pay isn't must anymore. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> Vitaly >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:40 AM, Amos Shapira < >>>>>>>>> amos.shap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes I'm well aware of the RI option. It can save up to %70 for >>>>>>>>>> high-load (i.e. machines which are up 24/7), but much less saving >>>>>>>>>> compared >>>>>>>>>> to something that you can keep bringing up and down on demand. >>>>>>>>>> Also the up-front cost is not cheap, and commits you to that type >>>>>>>>>> of instance (as far as I remember, you can't buy switch or upgrade >>>>>>>>>> an RI >>>>>>>>>> slot, what's paid is paid). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8 January 2015 at 12:47, Aviram Jenik <avi...@jenik.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not an AWS expert and would love to hear from those who are. >>>>>>>>>>> But we do have a few (dozen) instances on AWS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We have them running 24/7. I get that you could start and stop >>>>>>>>>>> on demand, but don't get how you would do that without changing the >>>>>>>>>>> way you >>>>>>>>>>> work in a drastic way (compared to a physical machine). To save >>>>>>>>>>> costs, buy >>>>>>>>>>> a 'reserved instance'. You are paying up front for 1-3 years (I >>>>>>>>>>> recommend 3 >>>>>>>>>>> years) and then paying a very very low cost per hour. If your load >>>>>>>>>>> is low, >>>>>>>>>>> buy the 'low load' machine to save even more costs (but then you >>>>>>>>>>> pay hire >>>>>>>>>>> fees if you cross the threshold). I don't know how this works well >>>>>>>>>>> enough - >>>>>>>>>>> we always buy the 'high load' instance and buy them for 3 years; >>>>>>>>>>> the total >>>>>>>>>>> average cost is equivalent to what we would have paid for the >>>>>>>>>>> hosting and >>>>>>>>>>> so the hardware is "free". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Aviram >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Amos Shapira < >>>>>>>>>>> amos.shap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do people here keep EC2 instances running? >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you leave it running 24/7 or do you fire them up when you >>>>>>>>>>>> need them? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to run my own EC2 instance running $10 Jira + $10 >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence (+$10 some extra useful add-ons) (to clarify - these >>>>>>>>>>>> are one-off >>>>>>>>>>>> $10 for each product), but can't justify running a $30/month small >>>>>>>>>>>> EC2 (and >>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps more, Jira alone requires 1.5-2GB of RAM) just to be used >>>>>>>>>>>> at most a >>>>>>>>>>>> few hours a month if not less. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But logging in to the console to fire it up (or through aws >>>>>>>>>>>> cli, or using an Android based app) every time I want to access it >>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>> would be inconvenient. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So is there another way? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Amos >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Linux-il mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> <http://au.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Linux-il mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> <http://au.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Linux-il mailing list >>>>>>>> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >>>>>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Linux-il mailing list >>>>>>> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >>>>>>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> <http://au.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> <http://au.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux-il mailing list >>> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >>> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda. >> http://ladypine.org >> > > -- <http://au.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer>
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