2008/6/7 Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Tue, 03 Jun:
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Ira Abramov
>> >
>> > I have no idea where that comes from. "apt-get autoremove" takes care of
>> > packages that are no longer dependent upon (or is that only in sid?).
>>
>> But can you mark a package as "nothing depends on it, but I want it
>> around" (lower-case "m" in aptitude) vs. "keep it around as long as
>> something needs it, but remove it when it's no longer needed by
>> anything else" (upper-case "M" in aptitude)?
>
> I don't know. I never looked for that feature (nor did I know it in
> aptitude)
>
> so I go "aptitude -m liblala" to mark it you say? I tried aptitude
> --help and it's not mentioned.
It's "markauto" (capital "M" in the interactive interface) and
"unmarkauto" (lower case "m" in the interactive interdface). Just
found this from "aptitude --help".
> I don't have slowness of anything else, so it's not my disk, and it's
> not happening with apt-get. specifically it's the phase where aptitude
> says "Writing extended state information " at the status line when it's
> "Loading cache". I just clocked that at 30 seconds. this happens after
> it finishes an update run ("u") and also when I hit go ("g") and again
> on the way back from finishing the "go" action on the way back to the
> package selection screen, and finally again once I hit "q" and wait yet
> 30 more seconds before I get back to my shell prompt. this is a major
> improvement since a few weeks ago, when this "Writing ext. state info"
> stage would take it several minutes, and I'd just give up and break it
> with ctrl-C. but still, it's annoying as hell.
>
> I don't think the cache has anything to do with it, but I run autoclean
> daily, and sometimes apt-get clean if I'm short on space.
So I can't give more plausible explanations. 30 seconds sounds closer
to my experience.
>
>> Is there an interactive mode for "YUM"? I'd love to see it but so far
>> when I asked about it I got "use some gnome-based gui", which I'm not
>> going to do since many of the servers are on the other side of the
>> world and I'd generally very much rather not have X11 stuff on them.
>
> don't think there is, and don't think I'd like to have one even slower
> than the commandline.
It's just that since I'm not familiar with each and every package,
it's useful to be able to use aptitude's "M" and see what would have
had been removed if I deleted it. I can do "yum remove package..." and
then not confirm this but can get long and tadeious. I also learned
about one of the yum-utils programs which can do something similar but
not being interactive means it's a lot of typing to go through
everything.
>
>> At least as far as I followed up to Etch, aptitude uses apt-get at its
>> back and adds lots of intelligence in front of it, it's not just a
>> pretty GUI and that's why it's useful on the command line as well.
>
> so why keep the apt-get commandline at all? memory consumption?
> apt-get's binary is 127k on etch, while aptitude is 2.6 meg. I prefer a
> slightly smarter apt-get over the bloated aptitude that is just too slow
> to be useful for me 99% of the time.
because apt-get is the current de-facto standard built down into the
installer (isn't it?)?
>
>> But then again - I'm only up to date more or less with Etch (with very
>> few backports), and planning to move my last Etch desktop (at work) to
>> Ubuntu as soon as I can.
>
> it's your funural. Ubuntu has proven to be nothing but headache to me so
> far.
In what way was it a headache?
So far no problems here. There is the little annoyance of having to
manually stop and install lvm2 from the live CD before and after a new
installation if you want LVM (which I always do) but other than that
it just works for me (on a Dell E520, Sony Vaio from work and as of
last night my Wife's ex-windows XP computer (!!! That's something I
wanted to wait a week and see how she survives before I announce to
the world - she was VERY RELUCTANT to move to Linux, even though over
the years I converted here from IE to Firefox (started at 1.x),
Outlook Express to Thunderbird and MS Office to OpenOffice, and on the
way I demonstrated to her with my limited talent how The Gimp,
Inkscape and tons of other utils on Linux could save the day for her
business needs. Now as I type this she keeps expressing amazement at
the speed it runs compared to XP).
Another convert still hanging a bit on the edge but if it works I'd be
very proud of is an employee of mine who's totally non-linux-aware who
bought a large Toshiba laptop with Windows Vista which just didn't
work (and this hardware was supposed to support Vista!) - I helped him
install Ubuntu Gutsy before but then he went ahead and upgraded to
Hardy and broke it. Now we installed Hardy from fresh and apart from
an incompatibility with the built-in webcam it's alright.
One thing - stick to i386 if you want things like Flash, Skype and
Google earth, otherwise it's too much work and no gain.
--Amos
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