On 3/3/07, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yonah Russ wrote: > This law isn't stopping anyone who already legally has the right to > look at porn from looking at porn. Sure it does! For one thing, porn is not illegal today.
I find it hard to believe that an adult is allowed to legally give a minor pornography in any form. I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong but I come from the US and there it is definitely illegal. I would also bet that child pornography is illegal, etc.
> It just requires them to prove that they have the right. Which is a way of stopping. Saying "you can't do X unless you do Y" hinders the possibility of doing X. Being as it is that the law does not properly define what porn is, and the actual real life will be that non-port WILL get categorized as porn, this is a significant hinderence. Like I said elsewhere, the question is not even about port in particular, but about whatever gets categorized as "porn" by whatever software being used at the time.
so type in your password
> I don't see requiring to identify yourself before watching porn as any > different from requiring a license for driving. Show me who you are likely to kill if you watch porn without a license, and we'll be able to discuss the analogy further.
1- driving is just an example. s/driving/voting, drinking alcohol, getting married, not going to school, etc./ 2- Duh! http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=connection+pornography+violence&hl=en&lr=&btnG=Search When the news in this country talks about 12 year olds sodomizing 8 year old girls over 25 shekel (http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-2928740,00.html) and it doesn't stop there- http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%A9%D7%99+%D7%A1%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9D+%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%93%D7%94&btnG=Search כתב אישום: בן 22 הכיר בצ'ט בת 13 והפך אותה לשפחת מין כתב האישום חושף: תשעה נערים אנסו, ביצעו מעשי סדום, והתעללו קשות בילדה בת 13 המשטרה מחפשת אחר חשוד בביצוע מעשי סדום בילדה בת 10 מאשדוד Where do you think a 12 year old learns about this stuff !? You don't think that there is any connection between porn/violence on the net and in real life? <snip>
> This is about censoring the internet from children. and from people who don't want to identify themselves using biometrics, and from people who cannot afford the biometric equipment.
The law may mention biometrics- it also mentions other forms of physical id. This is obviously not the main point of the law. Physical id could be calling a free number from your cellphone, sending an sms, etc. Biometrics could be signing the name on the computer with your mouse. If the only requirement was a password entered on demand, you'd be ok with the law?
> I don't know any child that can't live without a slightly smaller > internet. Or any internet at all. Or, for that matter, a cell phone. Or, for that matter, a car. In fact, all a child really needs in order to live is food and a place to sleep. Let's block everything else.
There are many who would agree with you.
> As I've said in other parts of this thread I think this law has a > major advantage in that it will block access from anywhere- But why porn, and not anything else you, personally, may find objectionable? This is, in essence, you saying I should pay extra, let go of my anonymity and have extra burden placed on me merely because you can't control what your children do when they are not home. Not a good trade off, in my view.
I did suggest taxing porn users but I'm not a duely elected member of parliment nor was this part of the law. I don't see whay this law should make anything more expensive. I also suggest that a packet of cigarrettes should cost $500 and that smokers should have to pay more health tax.
> This law ensures (hopefully) that every access to adult content will > be made by adults. What about false negatives?
type in your password
> If a parent really want's they're kids looking at porn sites, they'll > give them their password. and their fingers? The law talks about biometric identification!
great- so they actually have to be there and supervise their children- what a concept -Yonah
And, besides, I don't want my kids to go to porn sites. I want them to go wherever they want, porn or not. I cannot do that with this law, because they have to have my specific permission. > -Yonah Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html
