On Nov 30, 12:12, Peter wrote:
} Subject: Re: To: Ira / Warning: could not send message for past 10 hours (
>
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Oded Arbel wrote:
>
> >> One small nitpick: Some dolt blocked an IP block that is indeed zombied,
> >> but in fact it is two IP blocks. Both are in Bulgaria, and both are
> >> infested (you should see my webserver's log). BUT I am not in Bulgaria
> >> and I have an IP that is sandwiched between the Bulgarians, from Actcom.
> >> And I have no zombie here (at least not in the computer).
> >
> > I'm not sure if you are referring to the above quoted rejection, or to
> > something else, but the block 192.114.44.226/21 from which you tried to
> > send e-mail to Ira Abramov is indeed Actcom dial-up pool, which
> > rbl.eonspace.net blocks only this specific pool and nothing else (no
> > Bulgarians here).
>
> FYI there are about as many zombie computers in Israel as anywhere else,
> but Israeli (and Asian) IP blocks are more likely to get blacklisted
> than others.
Indeed we use to get letters like:
"I got spam from 192.114.x.x, hence we blocked in our routers
192.114.0.0/16. Don't bother to answer."
I.e., people also use to block Israeli addresses in their routers.
> The 'neighbors' are/were Bulgarians (I think, from the name) (80.130.
> etc). Now it's someone else. I send out all my email via my ISP's MTA as
> relay. This means that someone blocked Actcom's main MTA SMTP origin. If
> the zombies also send through that then I can understand it. Else not.
> Afaik zombies do not use the MTA of the ISP. They are not that
> disciplined. Or weren't. I *always* send mail with origin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Actcom's MTA. The rule is hardwired in the
> transports map, and has been for four years or so.
Some /8 blocks, like 85.0.0.0/8, are blocked all over the world
in router ACL levels because once it was an unallocated block, and
people published lists of such blocks, without mentioning one needs to
update these ACLs from time to time. We have 85.130.128.0/17 and are
suffering from that.
Amir
> >> So
> >> trigger-happy blacklisters are not exactly my favorite hereoes. Never
> >> were. Who knows how many people do not get my email because of such
> >> things.
> >
> > I am personally not very happy with the situation where RBLs (mine
> > included) *need* to block dynamic IPs. I'm well aware that many people
> > (and many on this list) are running their own MTAs - and quite
> > legitimately - on their dynamic dial-up IP. Unfortunately, there is
> > simply no way to block zombies while not blocking such kosher setups,
> > and for that reason all MTAs support the option of relaying all outgoing
> > SMTP traffic through an ISP mail server, that will deliver your e-mail
> > correctly - because you already pay your ISP for this service. Not
> > taking advantage of a service you pay for and then complaining that you
> > get blocked is not, IMHO, a valid stance.
>
> As I said, that is not the case. My IP is in the 85.130 group but the IP
> blocked belongs to the Actcom origin servers, and is NOT a dynamic IP.
>
> I think that I know what I am doing here, most of the time anyway.
>
> Peter
>
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