Disclaimer: I am not Hamakor member, I am not GO-Linux organizer, everything I write down here is my own thoughts, and express only my own foolishness, bad English, and really bad temper. If you continue to read after this point - don't expect any pity from me:
There is of course no problem with having thousands of forums about Linux, Oracle, or any product. There is also no problem if these forums (or initiatives) compete, as competition is good for everyone(TM by Charles Darwin). The only question is when there are cases people look for "the official" forum. Then saying that some forum is the official would require the person who says this to prove the saying. I think the main problem was that the invitations to the GO-Linux can easily lead the reader to think that ILUG is the only official body, and between the two of us (and the precious list) and that ILUG is not too active... If Hamakor suggested help, and you declined it, that is one thing. If Hamakor suggested help and you said "Don't call us we'll call you", that's another, and finally, we can still collaborate. Sometimes you do find hackers walking around in dignified environments (sometimes they were invited to enter the building, and didn't had to social engineer their way in). Sometimes you see CTOs/CEOs/CFOs and even UFOs wandering into hackers' events (sometimes they are spotted and are forced to wear "I'm a fed" T-shirt). So all in all, I think the nice thread can be summarized as: Go-linux is a commercial initiative, Hamakor is not. -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If it wasn't for C, we'd be writing programs in BASI, PASAL, and OBOL", anon Spammers: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/spam.html GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B3 2023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys.) On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Jobs - MainStream wrote: > I also don't know anything about ILUG despite having maintained a booth at > every Go-Linux conference there's been, but what exactly is wrong with P&C > running professional forums for Linux corporate users, or other "clubs" in > other areas. > > Some of the clubs are exclusive. > So what? They're tailored for specific audiences. > > A CFO isn't likely to go to a Linux hackers meeting to learn some new > technique for a adapting some obscure graphic card to Linux, and a Linux > hacker isn't likely to go to a CFO meeting to discuss which accounting > methods is best used to determine the cost-benefits of managing Linux vs. > Unix in an enterprise-scale environment. > > The corporate environment isn't the same as the enthusiast environment, and > many times groups/organizations are created for the sole and simple purpose > of letting other corporations know that they are in the game. That is how > the corporate market works. > > > Stephen Leavitt ñèéáï ìåéè > Sales Director îðäì îëéøåú > > MainStream Solutions, Ltd. > > > www.mainstream.co.il > Tel: ++[972] - 2 - 561-2262 > Fax: ++[972] - 3 - 725-6036 > Cell: ++[972] - 52 - 277-6374 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Ira Abramov > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:30 PM > To: Linux-IL > Subject: Re: Go-Linux 2005 > > Quoting Michael Vasiliev, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: >>>> I saw at http://www.pc.co.il/linux2005 that there is a logo for >>>> Israel Linux User Group (IGLU ?!). >>> >>> No, ILUG, Israeli Linux User Group. No relation to IGLU or Hamakor >>> or anything else that is community oriented. >>> >> I have to admit that I found that confusing explanation quite...confusing. > > P&C have all sorts of "clubs" they organize to make the invited people feel > "exclusive". http://www.itclubs.co.il/ > > The Linux Users' group is a similar initiative (though if memory serves it's > less tightly affiliated with P&C, it's a joint marketing gimmick of Sun, > SGI, IBM, Emet and a few others where the "users" in the title actually > means "companies that try to make a few more thousand dollars by waving a > tux flag". In fact, AFAIK the only member of the community that ever > witnessed one of their meetings (were there more than one?) Is Shachar > Shemesh, and the only thing I think that came out of it was that Logo you > saw that is pulled once a year, dusted and pasted on the Go Linux > invitation. > > -- > Fresh off the boat > Ira Abramov > http://ira.abramov.org/email/ > > ================================================================= > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word > "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | > mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL > PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
