On Sep 26, 11:10, Ariel Biener wrote:
} Subject: Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
> On Monday 26 September 2005 10:26, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> >
> > connected 24x7 and effectively do have a static IP, the only price I see
> > is the cost of administration, not of the address itself. So I guess it
> > should be low (or zero) and one-time. Am I far from the truth?
>
> The price involves money payed to RIPE for the IP blocks needed in order to be
> able to provide so many clients with permanent IPs. Actually, in management
> overhead, it has some advantages, at least security wise, since hunting down
> an abusive client becomes very straight forward, without any need to search
> radius logs for accounting START/STOP.
It may be interesting to note that there is no much difference between
a static and dynamic IP in this regard. Here, I just send the complaint
mail (on a virus or spam or port scanning) through a Perl filter that
analyzes the mail and shows me the username (by looking ip the IP and time
in a realtime MySQL database) and customer number. In rare cases when
it doesn't succeed to parse the mail, I have to cut&paste the IP and time
(and fix the said filter so next time it will parse such mail). Anyway,
even for static IPs I have to use this filter, because customers may
replace their static IP sometimes and I have to make sure a particular
username used a particular IP at the particular time and not just having
it now as static IP.
> However, if you come to divide how much money is payed for an IP in a /16
> block, which all the big ISPs use (each has a few), you'll probably find that
> it amounts next to nothing compared to what they charge customers for. However
> the Internet in Israel is cheap compared to the large world outside, and the
> Israeli are a tough crowd to serve, as they want everything, while they are
> not willing to pay anything. So, using the pretense that a permanent IP
> belongs to a VIP class of service (business or whatever) is a economical
> model that allows the ISPs to charge a price that can actually allow them
> to earn something from the private sector.
>
> Just to sum up, in general I think Israelis are shitty customers, in all
> respects, and while the "no one will fuck me over" slogan was good
> at first, and taught a lesson to people trying to break our backs, later on,
> like everything else here, it got twisted and taken too far away, to a place
> where we pirate everything (software, music, films), and are unable to
> pay a price for a service. The ISPs cut throat competition for the basic
> ADSL/Cable packages, and the ridiculous price they charge for them
> is just a testimony of how powerful the Israeli customer has become. But,
> will driving the ISPs into bankruptcy, or worse, keeping their income so low
> that they cannot advance and offer any new services and improvements, will
> that serve us as customers in the end ?
>
> I believe a good deal is based on the fact that after provider and customer
> shaked hands, both are content with the result. That is not the reality today.
There is much truth in what Ariel says.
> --Ariel
Amir
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