On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 11:24:01AM +0200, Michael Green wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:58:31 +0200, Shachar Shemesh
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > First, let me state what should, by now, be obvious to anyone. Using
> > rshost is a security hole.
> 
> Shachar, you make very valid points here. Thank you.
> In fact I realize very well (I hope I do) all the risks involved in
> using rsh/rlogin/telnet mechanism.
> However our users insist on using rsh instead of ssh for various
> reasons (conservatism being of them). 
> And I'm not in the position to
> fight their weak security practices. I'm here to help them with
> whatever they need and if they need rsh to be more productive (one of
> their agruments) - so be it.

What exactly are the atvantages of rsh over ssh?

Besides the obvious ones:

* slightly lower cpu usage
* (slightly?) lower bandwidth usage for file transfers
* The client's code is smaller, in case you're very stressed with disk
  space

Besides those points, I can hardly find anything rsh can do and ssh
can't. And yes: ssh supports ~/.rhosts , if you'll force it. In fact,
when I was looking for reference on ~/.rhosts file a couple of years ago
on a redhat workstation, I only found it documented in ssh's docs.

rcp's behaviour is horrible. Even worse than scp. And generally the
r-progras lack verbosity in case of trouble.

So do them a favour and make them use ssh. It is really for their own
good. replace rsh with a symlink to ssh if you have to ;-)

> > The second, more likely, is that the ident service is not running.
> 
> it does, because I'm able to rsh into the machine from those hosts
> listed in hosts.equiv. It is my understanding that if  identd/xinetd
> were not up I wouldn't be able to rsh from anywhere, right?

Right. 

netstat -lntp | grep 51

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