Hi Adam, See inlines below.
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Adam Morrison wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 12:05:21PM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:The average NIS58/hour + socials (which translates to NIS 81 total with socials factored in) is very low, also. Ouch. Poor samins.
:-) I beg you to reconsider... Well... I know, I know. I saw worse, actually, but not by far.
Look at the "Horaat Shaa" of the "Chaskal". The prices that they are paying for Linux and other non-MSCE sys-admins is between NIS 92 and NIS 190. If that's what the contractor is getting, then the employee is getting a bruto of between NIS 46 and NIS 95 at most, including benefits but not car. That's how the majority of the market is working.
There's a different way to look at this; according to these numbers, the system administration service is worth 17,020 to 35,520 NIS/month to the employer (taking your 185 hour work month). So when there is a direct employee on the receiving end --- not a contractor --- they can expect to receive anywhere between 13,500 and 28,000 NIS, gross, per month. (This is an approximation done by taking 25% employer overhead, instead of just the 20.33% of social benefits.)
I believe that the above is not a a correct economic analysis for the following reasons:
1. The prices that contractors are willing to accept (as reflected in the michraz) are based on the prevailing cost of the employees, not the opposite.
2. The contractor provides an employment service to the business. That is, the contractor screens the employees and matches the employee's skills to the requirements of the project or business. This service is worth money.
3. Businesses are willing to pay a premium to a contractor over what they are willing to pay for an individual because the contractor provides them with alternative personnel and other flexibility if an employee cannot do the job for any reason.
4. Only a contracting company completely frees the business purchasing the services from the obligations of the employer-employee relationship as defined by Israeli law. Neither non-incorporated or even incorporated individuals have this advantage even though according to the dry leter of the law you might think they would.
The above points are often not understood by the engineers who work through contractors at places such as Motorola or IAI for example. This often results in the mistaken impression that the contractor is only a pimp ripping off the employee, which *sometimes* is the case but usually is not.
I admit that the majority of the readers of this list would probably command much higher pay, but they are not representative of the people out there actually doing sys admin.
But it would seem that anyone here who is doing system administration work for a contractor and is out of their "useless" stage should do some thinking and see if they can find an organization that is regularly in need of 185 hours/month of system administration.
These organizations are rare. Another option for higher qualified sys-admins is to find an organization that has several low-level sys-admins and needs one "guru" level admin to back them up.
I think that the more experienced members of this list will vouch for me when I say that finding permanent, full-time, Linux sys-admin work at the NIS 16-20K (bruto) range is possible but not easy in the current market.
Regards,
- yba
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