Hi Marc, See inlines below.
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
Thanks for the answer, Jonathan.
Truth be told, the figures you quote seem horridly low. NIS40? The poor samin
is getting (assuming something close to a full time position) sub NIS8k/month.
Is this not starvation level?
That depends on the capabilities of the individual. If the individual does not have enough experience or adequate personality resouces for you to send him to customer sites without supervision, which is how most sys-admins are for the first 18 months, then they are not worth much, if anything. There are plenty of sys admins like this around. They gravitate towards public sector employment such as universities and schools where there is very little supervision of the their productivity.
The average NIS58/hour + socials (which translates to NIS 81 total with socials factored in) is very low, also. Ouch. Poor samins.
:-) I beg you to reconsider... Well... I know, I know. I saw worse, actually, but not by far.
Look at the "Horaat Shaa" of the "Chaskal". The prices that they are paying for Linux and other non-MSCE sys-admins is between NIS 92 and NIS 190. If that's what the contractor is getting, then the employee is getting a bruto of between NIS 46 and NIS 95 at most, including benefits but not car. That's how the majority of the market is working.
I admit that the majority of the readers of this list would probably command much higher pay, but they are not representative of the people out there actually doing sys admin.
- yba
Marc
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Marc,
Full-time Sys admins cost from NIS 40 without car/telephone to NIS 80 with car/telephone per hour. There is precious little relation between the quality of the employee and what you pay. I'd say that the average Linux sys admin with three to four years of experience gets NIS 58 per hour plus keren hishtalmut, plus a telephone and car including expenses. By "average" I am taking into account public sector and private sector employees. The universities pay more than average rates IMHO, but often do not pay benefits or keren hishtalmut. Rates for temporary employees are also higher.
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