On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:22:29PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Geoffrey, having some general idea on what the post in question is > about, I think you are dead wrong. In a way, it's Sivan's "fault", as he > keeps the entity behind the position secret. Still, I believe a bit more > caution when passing judgment may have been in order.
Yes, but he could have described the job more accurately. It would not have broken secrecy to say that it is one person of a team, even if he did not want to say how many were in the team. Or what the company does, as in 10 servers and 100 machines with users, or 50 programers, etc,. > But what if it IS a case of 100 identical machines, and a sysadmin group > larger than one person? Then it might be, but then even in Israel where everyone is taught be a team player from birth, there are enough sysadmins here that are not, that it would have been good to mention a group. That also changes dynamics of the job. One person is on call 24/7. One of 5 a lot less often. > Is this anything particular to Sivan's approach, or is that a general > observation on today's job market situation? A general observation on the job market. > According to CJI's February salary survey, the average salary for a > system administrator is 12,000 (http://www.cji.co.il/cji05sal.txt). Care > to explain what you base your data on? CJI's salary survey has been skeewed as long as I have seen it. One it favors anglos. 2. Every job I have held since 1980 EXCEPT at HUJI required me to keep my compensation secreet or be fired. Even for job offers in Israel I was asked to keep compensation to myself and it was part of the contract every employee was given with a job offer at my last job. So how many people did reply that were legaly obligated not to? Or did they just ignore the survey. > > > But are you a system administrator, or someone who has another skill set > who can ACT as a system administrator? I guess this job is not aimed at > programmers who want to double as sysadmins. Tough luck. This does not, > however, mean it's a bad job, or a bad salary. It does for me, as I said to another poster I've been doing systems programing etc, for 34 years longer than most people on this list have been alive. > Full time - most likely. Being as it is that you mention above that it > seems like a full time job, you shouldn't be surprised. > Signing the IP rights - I doubt. Good of you to assume, though. In any > case, I wouldn't be surprised if Sivan refused to negotiate the terms on > a public list. Neither would I. > and people who drive badly are bad lovers. Ain't extrapolation a > wonderful thing.... Yes, but people who think that the system group is usless overhead tend to think the same way about software licenses , etc. > > >>(this is a repost, but we were not able to hire people who have applied > >>after the first posting; we are supplying now more information about the > >>position, in the hope that more people will apply :-) > Two questions. No, make that three. > 1. You develop business plans. Why do you think you are qualified as a > sysadmin for ANY salary? Also, if you got used to the kind of salaries > people with the title you boast get, it's no wonder that you find the > salary Sivan is offering low. See above. If anyone is qualified to be a sysadmin on this list it is me. :-) > 2. What makes you think they DON'T have a 2-3 sysadmins team? Never said. > 3. Most importantly, why the frontal attack? Especially since when you > and I met professionally, a signed NDA was the very first thing you > wanted. There is a proverb in Hebrew which I suspect is relevant here: > "הפוסל במומו פוסל". I have no idea how to translate that reasonably. Because I was asking you for your participation in a development project that will be funded at about $5M USD a year and could generate $200M USD or more in revenue a year for several years after that. Who wants to leave that dependent upon someone you can't trust to keep their mouth shut. That's what the NDA does, it estabilshes a level of trust between my company and the consultant (you). You are legaly bound to not tell anyone what I am doing, and I'm leaglly bound to not steal your ideas, employees, etc. For example, you mentioned that you had a guy, we'll call Fred FLintstone, working for you who would be perfect for the job. Without the NDA, I could just call him up and offer him a job. Since you disclosed the confidential information of your business to me, I am obligated by the NDA not to use it without you. I wasn't attacking Sivan, I was just pointing out that the market price for top level people is a lot more than $15k. If he expected to get someone for that he was most likley IMHO mistaken. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: 972-2-679-6896 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 VoIP (Email to schedule) Free World Dialup: 523178 Skype: gsmendelson ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
