Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> 
> > Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Miki,
> > >It is not good policy to upgrade production servers, ever. I found this
> > >out through many bad experiences of many years. Don't do it,
> > >ever.

Hear, hear!

> Debian is not a good example for this bloke using Mandrake. He faces a
> long stint in rpm dependency hell, 

I wanted to comment briefly on that. I have no experience with
Mandrake, but a long history with Red Hat. In my experience:

- Each system that was kept up-to-date by hand and on which newer,
greater RPMs were installed at the whim of the sysadmin or at the 
demand from the users experienced RPM dependency problems here and 
there.

- Each system that was maintained strictly according to Red Hat's
up2date with no deviations was free of such problems.

I have made my mind long ago that one should think long and hard
before installing anything that does not come through RH's distro and
official updates. They have a pretty good record in plugging security
holes and fixing serious bugs, so that was not a problem.

I shrug off the RPM dependency hell as caused by lack of discipline
most of the time.

And no RH support costs money. So what? You are running a production
machine, aren't you?

-- 
Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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