On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 18:58, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > "Tal, Shachar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Easily doesn't mean a sysadmin for a day. Easily means not having to > > invest considerable man-power into making cvs and diff and branches > > and IDE integration and nightly building and whatnot work > > together. YMMV for the definition of considerable. > > Disclaimer: I have not used ClearCase myself. However, I have an > impression that, for one reason or other every company that uses Clear > Case also has a full time "software configuration" *team* whose > purpose in life is making ClearCase work for the developers. This > does not mean that ClearCase is bad, wrong, or anything. This just > means that it probably fits someone's definition of "considerable > man-power".
You can throw a team on ClearCase maintenance, but without first reading the books they will spend all their time poking around in vein. Most of my time spent on ClearCase involves going through the logs to see one more time that it does what it's supposed to do. Oopss... forgot. I do not do it anymore. I have a script that alerts me if something funny is going on. > At one company I worked for (about 15 developers) an internal effort > was undertaken to write a system for hourly/nightly build of multiple > versions of software kept in CVS, at least on two platforms. It took > some effort (one person, I don't really remember how much time it > took, maybe a week?), but it worked smoothly afterwards. Probably > still works, years later - I don't know. Note also that the build > system fit the particular development cycle and practices of the > outfit - an out-of-the-box solution would not necessarily fit that. It can be setup in ClearCase in 5 minutes. Create a bunch of dynamic views each with it's own brunch and script the hourly/nightly builds inside each view. Couple of one-liners will suffice. What is the cost of weeks work of a decent sysadmin ? > > Now, consider this. Just a few days ago a friend, who is a > "configuration manager" for a big and well-known unnamed company, > complained informally that ClearCase (which has its own filesystem > implemented by Rational as a binary only kernel module) does not > co-exist well with that company's corporate standard kernel > configuration. And they cannot do anything about it until the vendor > (IBM in this case) fixes the problem. I surely hope the vendor will > provide a solution in time (until the client's standard kernel > changes). Again, this is not as much to criticize ClearCase as to > point out that this is something a multibillion dollar company would > surely deem "considerable". -- ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
