> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:46 PM
> To: Arik Baratz
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> > My question is: If you complain to the ISP when you are 
> spammed by someone in their address range, who do you 
> complain to when the ISP spams you? Is there a higher body 
> which controls what the ISPs in Israel can or can't do? Is 
> the ISP's upstream provider the only avenue for my complaint?
> 
> You said your self that the ISP abused ISOC's list, so you can try
> to complain is ISOC. And maybe once and for all these registrars
> will stop forcing you to make all your details public (including email
> address, home address, and phone) just because you want to 
> have a domain
> name...

Here is some good piece of advice. I will do that. I'm afraid it won't do much good, 
because Israel being what it is, BezeqInt probably has some relations inside ISOC to 
which they have already hinted to me in a phone conversation.

How did they harvest my adderess otherwise? It's a bit difficult to get the entire 
list without some cooperation.

> And for everybody saying "but these details helps us catch 
> spammers and the
> likes", well, this is far from being true. The real abusers 
> can easily provide
> false information, and I've seen false information even on 
> reputable companies'
> assignments.

I do not agree. I would LIKE to be accessible based on my whois record, for legitimate 
complaints. Not for spam, though. Maybe I should put an auto-responder with an 
alternative, de-spammed email address within.

I believe the cooperative nature of the Internet is still alive and this is one of the 
tools that keep it that way.

> Also, if you're a customer of that ISP, can't you complain to 
> them directly,
> saying you'll be taking your business elsewhere?

I have, but how effective is that? I am going to take my business elsewhere, I just 
need to convince some people here it is worth the hours I'm going to spend on it.

-- Arik

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