1. It's pretty preliminary. There's lots more to be done. That said, it is obviously good enough to display message boxes with Hebrew for people in a readable, if not perfect, ordering.
2. The reason Office works so well with BiDi is because the document itself uses it's own code to reorder the characters. The windows (and therefor wine) code is only used for the surrounding text - menus, dialogs, etc.
3. There is currently NO CODE in wine to handle paragraph switching (CTRL-SHIFT). That is somewhat in the future. I have had several reports already that such behaviour is actually working under some circumstances. I believe that to be a feature of the window manager, and not of Wine, but I am a little out of resources for that particular aspect at the moment. At the moment, I mark that down as pure miracle. I installed KDE3 (via installing Mandrake 9.0) for the sole purpose of testing that particular behaviour, but had great difficulties getting KDE to work with Hebrew at all, and Mandrake 9.0 was too buggy in too tender spots at the moment, and so I switched back to Debian. When I get the time again, I'll install KDE3 on Debian and see what causes the miracle.
4. I have asked in the past for help, and indicated quite clearly that even telling me "I use this application on Windows, and it uses Hebrew" is considered help, as it focuses my work. So far, the only one to come forward and offer an app (and actually get it to me) was Haim Ravia. It's a law lookup prog, and it's a win16 app. That's fine as far as I'm concerned, but if you think there are other apps that you think are more representative, and that you want supported, please email me with the app's name.
All the above points aside, I do have a question about CrossOver's license. As it obviously has my code, it must be LGPL or stricter. In leu of the above, can someone who has it please:
A. Let me know what license it uses
or, if it is LGPL
B. Send it to me, or at the very least let me play around with it on his/her computer?
I have some stuff I want to test with it, but as I do not intend to actually use it for productive work, 50$ seem a little steep.
Shachar
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
Hi People,
I'm getting lots of emails from people asking about CrossOver Office & hebrew related issues, and most of these people are subscribed here - so I thought to explain everything here, so if you're not interested in this info, feel free to drop this email to >/dev/null ;)
Now to some info:
Crossover office works both as single installation (its installed on your home directory, so you don't need to be the admin of the machine you're using) and as multiple installation (you need to be root and the installation goes by the default to /opt/cxoffice. You don't need to add paths or to setup anything). Once you install it, you'll see CrossOver sub-menu in both KDE & GNOME, but not on the older Window Managers like Window Maker, XFCE, ICE-WM, BlackBox (not sure about englightment), etc...
If you're using KDE or GNOME, then at the end of the application installation, you'll get a menu with options of what to associate with whom, so you can setup .doc/.xls for example (there are tons of associations!) to your KMail, or Evolution, to Konqueror and to Nautilus.
If you want to use MS Outlook, then you can use it, but files will not be run automatically and you won't be able to open any executable file. You're also protected from Klez and it's friends, so no need for Anti Virus. I have tested outlook with both Hebrew and english, and it works perfectly.
Application executions - all of the applications can be executed just like any normal Linux applications - example: ~/cxoffice/bin/excel, ~/cxoffice/bin/winword etc.. If you want the MS icons (the crossover installation extracts them for you as XPM files), they are available at ~/cxoffice/support/dotwine/fake_windows/Windows/Icons (based on the file assocation, so Word icon is doc.xpm) - (just for fun, you might want to open such an XPM with text editor).
Hebrew issues: Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook opens, read, write, and edit text in hebrew pretty well. You just need to add something like LANG=he_IL before the execution of the app, example: LANG=he_IL ~/cxoffice/bin/winword. All the parameters that you want to feed to word are allowed here as well (for OLE, opening document, auto print, etc..).
However - There seems to be a problem which I'm not sure if it's related to KDE or something else - the CTRL RIGHT-SHIFT key sequence (to work from right to left) works on my RH 8.0 machine with Window Maker, but not on my KDE on RH 7.3, so as a workaround you can use the hnormal.dot (hebrew normal template) to write new hebrew documents. Editing existing documents works ok.
I hope this info helps to people who asked me privately and to those who were curious..
Thanks,
Hetz
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