On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 06:39:15PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 03:35:51PM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
[snip]
> > Didi
> >
>
>
> At first let me say that giving every new instalee a CD set is desired.
> Now once you are going this way you will probably installed from this
> set because it might be easier for you.
>
> If I has managed to grasped what was going in the BIU party I took part
> several years ago, they contacted a commercial CD manufacture who was
> selling a CD set for 25 NIS for students who asked for it. Then the
> students took their new set to the install person who installed Linux on
> their machine. I believe a student could get without buying a set but
> most students did buy it. I don't know what sort of arrangement did the
> BIU had with that manufacture but there was no CD problem and although
> the man was left with CD sets I believe he did smile.
>
> On the other hand, it seems that the last 3 installation parties
> (Ra'ananin, Technion and TAU) had a CD problem of some degree. There
> fore it is probably a fact of life that you can not always have what
> is desirable. This is why the network option should be considered.
>
> For the rest of this message my Debian glasses will probably be more
> noticeable as this is the only distribution I am familiar with. I guess
> that many other popular distributions have the same tools. Am I wrong?
>
> 1. I don't know about PQmagic but I believe parted should be the
> software of choice when it comes to partitions matters.
> 2. Install from net: the way to go if possible. As for how to do it,
> following Debian's old way the problem should be divided into booting
> into Linux and carrying on from there. As for booting into Linux,
> preparing the equivalent of the boot floppy by yourself is not
> something you want to get into, or so I believe. There fore, the only
> way if the net option is essential seems to me using the official set
> and loadlin it. Since I don't have any experience with that, not even
> with Debian, I can't say more. Now once you were booted into the
> installation software, you might prepare a repository of the packages
> you want to install and install it, just like apt-get does. I am not
> sure it worth the trouble in order not to use the official ones but
> it is doable. You can NFS mount your repository, or prepare a
> dedicated http server for it. I guess you would include a boot loader
> as one of the packages - I didn't understand your `how to boot
> question'.
> I also didn't understand your suggestion about having your own ide
> disk. Are you suggesting to open the case, plug another disk and
> install from there?
Yes.
> 3. As for knoppix, the only few things I have heard about it are that it
> is based on Debian and have a very good automated hardware detection
> facilties. These facilities sounds great for an installation party.
> However isn't being basically a Debian distribution doesn't mean
> lagging behind as far as KDE+GNOME desk top environments are
> concerned?
So?
But actually, they put (I think) unofficial KDE (and GNOME?) debs too.
> The
???
Just to share:
My current thoughts are:
1. Install on a machine what I think is good for a student. Choose the
packages by myself, maybe consult staff members, but not students (well,
at least not many). Put a very loaded set of packages (that is, all of
RH73 except servers, or something like that). That will take 2-3GB, and
one of the observations I made was that this was not a problem for most
students. The problem was that some people did not choose things they
wanted to install (and after installation, it's ugly - no apt-get :-( ).
2. tar and bzip2 it. If it gets into a single CD, great. If not, cut it
somehow.
In the party:
3. Boot knoppix, or some other comfortable rescue floppy/cd.
4. If the installee wants to repartition, do it (with parted or some
GUI, if your rescuecd has one). Otherwise, create a large file on
one of the windows partitions, mkfs, loop mount.
5. Dump your tbz2 on it somehow (if you booted from a floppy rescue,
and have it on CD, fine. Also net, another hard disk, maybe other
ideas, possible).
6. Install a boot loader (grub or lilo) either on disk or on floppy.
7. Boot your dumped system and configure the few things that are needed.
> --
>
> Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t
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