On Monday 23 September 2002 00:52, Oded Arbel wrote:
> David Howard wrote:
> >The operative word here is *promises*. Will there be post-install help for
> >frustrated newbies struggling with broken promises?
>
> I always give my name, email and phone numbers to every person I install
> for, and I help whoever calls.

then you are one of a kind.
most people (including myself) dont have the time to deal with those phone 
calls daily, and if you are in the habbit of doing so, then i dont need to 
tell you how many calls you will get. (tried that once, wanted to leave the 
country after a whole day on the phone, trying to explain to someone how to 
modprobe for his new NIC...guess my days as a support person are over).


>
> >>If I'm asked - I'll recomend to install the latest MDK9.0 release -
> >>especially for people who are not "power users". but if so decided, I
> >
> >How many "power users" will come as newbies to an install party? And
> >even if they do, will you install the full MDK/RH bloat, or a slimmed
> >down custom package selection?
>
> Windows "power users" are the more common in the crows of install
> parties, as much as I've come to expect from the ones that I
> participated in. for these, I have no problem to install a RedHat, an
> Old Mandrake or even Debian - they mostly can handle that. Your avarage
> joe user is more problematic.
>
> >While it's true that full Debian installs are not for the fainthearted,
> >what about a slimmed Debian (1 CD) with a simple, foolproof install?
> >ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/libranet/2.0/
> >ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/libranet/2.0/
>
> Its not about full vs. slimmed down versions - it's about the Debian
> system which while being a very well thought out and tested
> distribution, its the most non-user friendly major distro you can get.
>

i can give you a hell of a long arument here about that debian remark being 
"non-user friendly"...but forget it, i can only imagine the "war" it can 
start ;)

i'll pass.


> >Finally, what about the *truly* clueless (but willing) newbies? Is it
> >perhaps worth trying Lycoris as a sort of "training wheels" until they
> >can stay upright by themselves on a serious distro?
>
> No way ! After trying Lycoris, a Newbie will respond in one of two ways -
> "That's windows - something which looks pretty and doesn't work much I have
> from M$ for the same price" or "Linux sucks worse then Windows - what do I
> need it for?"

no argument there...

tal.


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