On Thursday 11 July 2002 00:27, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: this slide show might answer a few questions for everyone : http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix-win2000/invitedtalks/lucovsky_html/sld001.htm
tal. > May I correct you a bit? ;) > > > it's a big surprise to me that people don't know these facts. > > Actually, I believe that this activity is less than 1% of the UNIX > > activity of Microsoft. > > Wrong. As much as I know, this is a fully native version of MSIE, not > something like a "wine" + MSIE for the various systems (Linux not included) > > > If you take all the UNIX activities of MS and refer to it as to a > > company, then Microsoft is the biggest UNIX software company. > > Sorry, I disagree with you. > > > Microsoft maintains dozens of UNIX projects, and is involved in many > > others. > > Less then half a dozen (FP extension, MSIE ports, ceased-media player for > Solaris, Interix [they bought them, but the same group maintains it], and > SFU (services for unix, which is going to be replaces with a Interix 3.0) > > > Many of the projects are Open Source, like parts of the .NET (they have > > sample implementations for FreeBSD, for example). > > Wrong. Corel does that. Not Microsoft. > > > Many others are free (like beer). For example, there was a multimedia > > tool (I think NetMeeting or NetShow) for various UNIX platforms. > > Netshow, renamed to Windows Media player. Last version was 6.3 for Solaris. > consider it dead now and if you really want to use something like this - > use MPlayer or Xine - both available for Linux, Irix (I think), and > Solaris, as well as Linux PPC and Mac OS X. > > > There are free plug-ins for UNIX tools (for example, the FP server > > extensions). > > Right. > > > There are UNIX/Linux drivers for various Microsoft hardware products, > > such as mouses, keyboards, etc. > > NONE of them was done or maintained by Microsoft. Fact is MS doing some > stuff to make it hard for reverse engineering (read the EULA). > > > As you probably know, NT and 2000 are Micro-Kernel OS'es, and all of > > the functionality is implemented as a SubSystem. So Microsoft developed > > a full-functional UNIX system, that instead of running under a machine, > > it runs as an NT SubSystem. It's called "Softway", and can be run > > simultaneously with NT/2000 (like running Linux under VMware under NT, > > but contrary to Linux under VMware, Softway runs natively). > > It was/is Unix based but I wouldn't trust a straight build on NT/2000 from > Solaris or Linux - see: > http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:0B5xG6rupXQC:www.usenix.org/events/use >nix-win2000/invitedtalks/lucovsky.ppt&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > > > Visual Source Safe was ported to UNIX. > > Yup. Thanks to the guys at Lod (MainSoft). > > > There are many other tools that were ported to UNIX. > > From MS? show me. I'm not talking about the old Xenix stuff. > > > Microsoft is also involved with MainSoft, and some of MS products are > > working under UNIX without a real porting, but just by putting them, > > almost as-is, under the layer of MainSoft. > > MainWin. A really bloated system. If you're thinking to make your app to > run under Linux or Solaris x86 - either hack wine or pay codeweavers to do > the job. If I recall correctly - it will be cheaper then using MainWin (and > their intimidation tactics - e.g. patents patents patents - ha!). > > > Some of the historical biggest UNIX software companies were founded by > > Microsoft (like SCO, the only owner of the official source-code of UNIX > > which was recently acquired by Caldera). > > No, Microsoft had shares in SCO. They didn't own SCO. You may look at the > SEC filing again. MS did have their own crappy version of Unix - called > Xenix. ================================================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
