On Thu, 10 May 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2001, Chen Shapira wrote about "RE: Vgames":
> >
> > > (Added note for IGLU: I presume that I'm not the only who has
> > > to put up with this sort of crap ...)
> >
> > And Isracard requires IE 5.0 *and* 800x600 screen resolution to view credit
> > info through the net.
> >
> > Guys, I think we are a minority being ignored and harassed by companies.
> >
> > Should we start an awareness campaign?
>
> I also saw another site, http://www.mcc.co.il/, which insists to not work
> with Netscape (not just provide you a worse experience - it doesn't work at
> all giving you a message about). It tells you something like the following,
> in Hebrew (look at the actual site with Netscape for the original text):
( how do I chenge the browser ID in netscape 4.x? I had no problem
browsing it using lynx, so it probably looks in the browser-ID for
netscape)
>
> "Dear user, the new site of "chever" consumer club ltd. is an advanced content
> site, which uses standard Hebrew representation only, and uses advanced
> features of the broser. Since Netscape's products do not support standard
> Hebrew and cannot perform certain advanced actions, and since Microsoft's
> IE5.0 can be downloaded for free, and according to a survey this software
> is used by most of the public (over 80%), this site can be viewed and used
> using [only] IE5.x which you are invited to download and install on your
> comuter. For your conveniencewe include a reference to a download site."
Actually, their standard-compliance assumtion is a bit wrong:
http://www.isoc.org.il/hebrew
(that page used to also contain a link to the bdns461i: IBM's bidi-ed
netscape 4.61)
Actually the latest news is that the newest nightly builds of mozilla
/should/ contain bidi support compiled in (haven't tried it yet. just read
a message in a newgroup).
Netscape 4.x is indeed a problematic browser, with hebrew and with other
issues. It has been under-developed for a couple of years now...
The question is whether all of their "advanced" content uses w3c
standards, or MS-spesific standards.
>
> I was infuriated (actually, I think that was the intention of the guy that
> sent it to me ;)). This kind of thinking is similar to the thinking of
> companies who don't bother to be accessible to handicapped people, because
> (let's face it) most people are not handicapped. I wrote a similar sign
> which I suggest they should put on their building:
>
> "Dear user, the new building of Chever consumer club is an advanced building,
> which uses a three dimensional structure to offer you more content. Because
> certain wheelchairs do not support making use of the third dimension in
> the _standard_ way (i.e., walking up a staircase), and because people in
> weelchairs have relatives who can be sent instead (for free!) and because
> our survey shows that legs are in use for most of the public (over 80%),
> our building is usable for leg-users only. You are invited to install
> mechanic legs - for your convenience we include a reference to a good
> orthopedist".
Not exactly a good analogy, because of the difficulty in obtaining
and installing MSIE5 comparing to a mechanical leg (and now you should try
explaining them why it is not availble for your spesific platform...)
--
Tzafrir Cohen
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