On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Since one of the main reasons for the existence of this list is HEBREW, has it
> occured to anyone that there is a real need for a tutorial or course, or
> seminar of some sort on the subject? I'm sure alot of people would attend if
> someone could give a lecture or demonstration on the subject. I know I would.

As Guy has already wrote, see the hebrew lectures (lecture 6) in the
"newcomers" lectures of the Haifa Linux Club.

> 
> I know there have been many posts on the subject and there are several links on
> the site, but we (I) need is something a bit more **hands on** practical. Among
> the things I'd love to see actually demonstated are installing and using fonts,
> using the Hebrew keyboard, various LTR or RTL and encoding issues in Netscape
> and/or Konqueror. Fonts and encoding in both browsers, etc.
> 
> For instance, among the problems I've recently had (since moving to Mandrake
> 7.2 and KDE instead of GNOME) are:
> 

Since I use 7.2 myself...

> 1 - vim -H doesn't work with Hebrew fonts if I run the command from Konsole, but
> it DOES work from Gnome Terminal (even while I'm running KDE).

Mandrake can't seem to get konsole working with Hebrew right...

On 7.1 (as I recently found in the instaparty) konsole failed to load when
the language was set to hebrew (basically: anything but english) because
of the fact that it had the font name "fixed" wired in, and this font is
not of the hebrew encoding.

On 7.2 you have konsole which refuses to use the iso859-8 encoding (it
only uses unicode, ignoring the huge amount of legacy programs that need
8-bit encodings).

Any idea how can I replace the default terminal command of kde with xterm
(and thus ate least avoid the use of konsole)?

The only workaround I have so far is to use "web fonts". If you don't want
to get spcial (typically ugly) fonts for that, you can use something like
courier_web, as proposed in:
http://ivrix.org.il/mailing-lists/ivrix-discuss/2000/11/0023.html

I also haven't realized how to add a spesific custom font to
konsole/kde2's list of fonts (I have to select "custom" from the menu and
choose the font with the font browser).

> 2 - The Hebrew fonts in Konqeror are even worse than in Netscape

Hmmm... Basically there is no reason to use special fonts for either of
them. 

> 
> 3 - My e-mail client (XFMail) supports Hebrew encoding and in Mandrake 7.0 with
> Gnome I could also see Hebrew fonts (in the wrong direction but better than
> nothing). But now in 7.2 running KDE I get gibberish.

Maybe the fonts that it was previously configured to use are now not
availble?

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir



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