> Quoth Ilya Khayutin on Fri, Jul 21, 2000:
> > >From this thread I got the impression that most people
> > here think that C++ is still that language which has
> > no standart, used by small groups of people and is
> > realy useless. Well guys... IT IS NOT THE 80s
> > ANYMORE!!!
>
> Pity.
>
> > It is year 2000 and C++ is a standartized
> > language
>
> Yeah right.
Yes. Do you know what is a standard ? Have you EVER been
involved in standatrizing effort ? Did you ever READ a standard?
>
> > which is used by a VERY large amount of
> > people.
>
> Same large amount of people who choose Windows and eat in
> McDonald's.
Oh - you see, those people makes the economy. People
like you lives on another, imagenary world.
>
> > The GNU compiler, g++, supports *_well_* 99.9%
> > of the standard C++
>
> Some C++ professional say otherwise, but I'm not one, so I won't
> comment on this.
Give me one FUCKING "expert" that said that.
>
> > Also, exprience has proven that using an OO design for
> > large software packages is MUCH more efficient than
> > plain function based design.
>
> C++ is an object-oriented programming language? Gimme a break.
>
YOU do not define what is an OO language. The world
aroud you, which you obviously Ignore, defined, long time
ago, that C++ is an OO language.
> > Someone said that because gtk+ uses its own
> > implementation of an OO architecture in plain C, there
> > is no reason to it to use C++. WHAT???
>
> Nothing. People wrote object oriented code in C long before C++
> was born.
On SUCH a small scale, that you cannot give me one
example of your enougmous exagragations.
> Object orientation is a function of design, not
> language. You can write object-oriented assembly, and you can
> write C++ with gotos.
So fucking what ?
>
> > There is a big diffrence between a C++
> > class and a C struct: PRIVELEGE CONTROL!!
>
> So? You can't _really_ hide what's inside. You always open your
> header files. Anyone can just insert "public:" into the header
> file and do whatever they bloody want.
Everybody can do whatever in whatsoever language. What
is your point, or are you wasting our time ?
>
> What about this: C is a small simple elegant language. It's
> relatively easy to learn. There are lots of people who actually
> know all of C by heart.
>
> C++ is a bloated pig which just grew into existance. It has
> helluva lot of features. There are very few people who actually
> know all of C++. Everybody knows some subset,
You are right on this, but -
>and the problem is
> that everybody knows a different subset of the language.
Tell me please, on what research, or ANYTHING, are you
basic this idiotic sentense ?
>
> The biggest mistake in design of C++ was to base it on C.
>
> > It makes the code MUCH less buggy.
>
> Yeah right. There was some programmer that reported that in his
> experience C++ programs were almost always bigger and almost
> always needed longer time to write than functionally equivalent C
> programs.
I wrote 100's of 1000's of lines in both C and C++, and
for big projects, C++ kicks C every time. Now THIS
programmer tell you that.
>
> Who told you all this stuff? Your programming language teacher?
>
Who told you THIS stuff?
Do you know C++ at all ?
> Vadik.
>
> --
> If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected
> abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when
> was the last time you needed one?
> -- Tom Cargill, C++ Journal, Fall 1990.
>
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