Well said Carl, even though we have opposite opinions! Rob A
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 12:00 AM Carl Angiolillo <carlangioli...@gmail.com> wrote: > I share similar questions about the percentage of affordable housing, > overall volume, and timeline that others have already raised so I won't > belabor those. However, I just wanted to chime in on the question of > *location.* > > > What drew you here? I suspect it was the investment of previous > generations in the preservation of fields and forest, and the trails and > open space. > > Absolutely. (That and being able to live within walking distance of a > train station, supermarket, and farm.) I hope we can all agree that any > housing solution should preserve the fields, forests, trails, and open > space that make Lincoln unique. > > From a conservation standpoint, focusing on density in areas that are > already the most disrupted by human activity (such as Lincoln Station but > also The Commons, Oriole Landing, Lincoln North, etc) seems like it's our > best hope to minimize impacts to Lincoln’s fields, forests, trails, and > open spaces. > > From an environmental standpoint, density near Lincoln Station has the > additional advantage of allowing for the largest share of trips by foot, > bike, or transit compared to any other location in town. Given the sad > state of the MBTA this share isn't as large as it should be, but any amount > is better than none. > > From a historical perspective, a dense core surrounded by open space is > how towns developed for thousands of years before the popularization of the > automobile. Every year more people seem to acknowledge the social, > financial, and environmental benefits of this approach. > > For these reasons I believe that greenfield development with > scattered housing units throughout the town is not a good option. > > Carl > Codman Rd > > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 5:02 PM Bijoy Misra <misra.bi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> May I intimate people that some of the developers could be the members >> in this group? They are carving their way monitoring this discussion. >> A developer would like a concentrated landing and that is where we could >> be headed through the navigation of our captains. The resistance voice of >> distribution of projects in town through a single developer or by finding >> several developers may eventually quell naturally or artificially. >> Thought to alert! Have a good meeting. >> Bijoy Misra >> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 12:46 PM William Broughton < >> wbroughto...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> "Developers are evil" is an oversimplification that is a convenient way >>> to make it seem like a silly concern. What we need to be eyes wide open >>> about is the reality that developers are not here to be our friends and >>> keep Lincoln's best interests in mind. They are running a business, and >>> their objective is to make a profit by building. There is nothing wrong >>> with that at all, but we need to remember that we, the citizens and >>> government of the town, are their checks and balances. The proposals >>> shared, which overshoot the minimums required by the HCA, give developers a >>> green light with a substantial amount of running room. Once that is >>> approved, the town and residents are more restricted in ability to rein >>> them back in. >>> >>> Will >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 10:13 AM John Mendelson < >>> johntmendel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I just don't buy the "developers are evil" argument. How else do we >>>> build without a healthy public/private development partnership? >>>> >>>> What do you propose to do other than nothing? >>>> >>>> We continue to hear arguments that our school is overbuilt and under >>>> enrolled, our taxes are too high, etc. We've already preserved 40% of our >>>> land in perpetuity. >>>> >>>> What is really at stake here? >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 10:01 AM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Developers John! Save it from Developers! I'm trying to >>>>> illustrate the scale of what this approval could enable. I understand >>>>> fully that Zoning does not equal Building 1:1 but why risk it? Why not >>>>> propose a true compromise solution? >>>>> >>>>> You seem to think you are on high moral ground here. All you are >>>>> doing is helping future wealthy residents - no one else! >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 9:55 AM John Mendelson < >>>>> johntmendel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Save it from what? Progress? Working to help solve the regional >>>>>> challenges of housing, traffic, environment? Providing housing >>>>>> alternatives? >>>>>> >>>>>> Or should we just continue to approve 20,000 sq/ft single family >>>>>> houses on big lots and put our heads in the sand? >>>>>> >>>>>> Lincoln is not an island despite what many seem to wish it could be. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 9:47 AM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1000% agree with Susanna. Well said. I have young children and want >>>>>>> them to enjoy Lincoln as it is now, not as another Concord or Bedford or >>>>>>> Lexington. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lincoln is precious, save it! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 9:41 AM Susanna Szeto <szeto...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A developer’s only objective is to make money! It is not a >>>>>>>> charitable organization who cares about providing more affordable >>>>>>>> housing >>>>>>>> for people! Please find one example that proves the contrary! >>>>>>>> Regarding >>>>>>>> 😊 ng the train to work because they live walking distance to the train >>>>>>>> station! When we moved to Lincoln in 1977, my husband was working at >>>>>>>> Mass >>>>>>>> General Hospital, an ideal situation for him to take the train to >>>>>>>> work. He >>>>>>>> did it at the beginning and gave up the idea because for one thing, it >>>>>>>> ends >>>>>>>> up more costly and the train does not run often enough to give the >>>>>>>> flexibility he needs! >>>>>>>> Yes, we have enjoyed decades of living in Lincoln, and we want the >>>>>>>> future generation of Lincolnites to enjoy what we have loved about >>>>>>>> Lincoln, >>>>>>>> the open space, the ‘low key’ nature of our town center even though >>>>>>>> occasionally we complained we are far from everything! We care greatly >>>>>>>> about what will happen to Lincoln even though we both at the later >>>>>>>> stage of >>>>>>>> our lives! So, for the relatively newcomers to town, there are older >>>>>>>> residents in town who do care what is going to happen to Lincoln even >>>>>>>> though it may take decades for the developers to get their hands on >>>>>>>> Lincoln! We have resisted them so far by using our tax dollars to buy >>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> lands for conservation! There is no other town like Lincoln that is so >>>>>>>> close to Boston! Please do not let the developers come in to spoil it >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> us! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 11:29 PM, ٍSarah Postlethwait <sa...@bayhas.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All very well voiced points! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But make no mistake- do not be fooled by the voices saying "potential >>>>>>>> development will take decades". >>>>>>>> If option C of this rezoning gets passed, development will begin >>>>>>>> immediately. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The HCAWG and the RLF are directly working with Civico, the >>>>>>>> developer of Oriole Landing*. Civico isn’t working with the town >>>>>>>> because it likes us and is a trusted town partner… it wants to make >>>>>>>> money. >>>>>>>> Civico has threatened the town by saying it will not go through the >>>>>>>> town meeting process again after it did so with Oriole Landing. The >>>>>>>> pro-building HCAWG (which includes the Executive Director of the RLF >>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>> member) wants Civico to develop. >>>>>>>> So in turn, the HCAWG and Planning board added mixed Use Zoning at >>>>>>>> Lincoln Center to this proposal so it wouldn’t be necessary for them >>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>> through the traditional town meeting process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This gives Civico the chance to push a high cost, high density >>>>>>>> housing complex (125 units), with only 10% affordable housing (we >>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>> 15% with Oriole landing). And it’s more likely to be passed because >>>>>>>> *only >>>>>>>> a simple majority is needed under the HCA instead of the usual 2/3 >>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>> at town meeting*; not to mention, the HCAWG is making it seem like >>>>>>>> a looming lawsuit and loss of grants are eminent to encourage >>>>>>>> residents to >>>>>>>> pass the rezoning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me emphasize again- if Civico develops this Subdistrict, it >>>>>>>> will be 112 units at market rate and 13 units of affordable housing. >>>>>>>> *Market >>>>>>>> rate for Oriole Landing is currently $4,000 to $8,500 without >>>>>>>> utilities,* >>>>>>>> according to their listing on Apartments.com. >>>>>>>> That is not affordable housing for anyone who wants to downsize or >>>>>>>> work in Lincoln, as many seem to be under the impression this >>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>> would help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A slide from the presentation: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <69012668-7F39-478C-B8C4-134AB43AB1A5.jpeg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <75467D4B-940C-4471-880D-5A25ED122A3D.jpeg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 9:15 PM William Broughton < >>>>>>>> wbroughto...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Bob and Rob, among many others, for the helpful >>>>>>>>> insights. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a number of concerns with the currently proposed HCA >>>>>>>>> options. The impacts to affordable housing in town (both absolute >>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>> and percentage of total), traffic, and finances (taxes) are just a >>>>>>>>> few. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As another resident mentioned in a separate thread, the potential >>>>>>>>> for areas like Lincoln Woods, with a higher % of affordable housing >>>>>>>>> units, >>>>>>>>> to one day be redeveloped and, despite an increase in total number of >>>>>>>>> housing units, result in a net decrease in the town's number of >>>>>>>>> affordable >>>>>>>>> units, is concerning. If we can only mandate that 10% of new housing >>>>>>>>> units >>>>>>>>> (in the HCA zone) must be affordable, and the 40b threshold for the >>>>>>>>> town is >>>>>>>>> also 10%, doesn't that imply that the town's overall ratio would get >>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>> and closer to being under the threshold with each new development >>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>> built? What will that result in - yet more development? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Further, the argument that the entire district needs to be near >>>>>>>>> the commuter rail station does not make sense to me. The commuter >>>>>>>>> rail is, >>>>>>>>> at its best, inconvenient and expensive, and at its worst it is both >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> those things, plus unreliable. The traffic study that was shared, in >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> opinion, grossly understates the potential impact of the additional >>>>>>>>> vehicles resulting from the additional development. The reality is >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> most people, unless they live in perhaps Boston/Cambridge/Somerville, >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> cars for much of their daily lives. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It also pains me to hear, from multiple individuals, that the >>>>>>>>> "potential development will take decades". I'm a relatively new and >>>>>>>>> young homeowner in Lincoln. I intend to be here in the future >>>>>>>>> "decades" >>>>>>>>> referenced, and I hope to get to enjoy Lincoln with my children in >>>>>>>>> much the >>>>>>>>> same way so many current residents have over the past several decades. >>>>>>>>> These choices we make today will have big impacts, and we can also be >>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>> that this will not be the last effort by the Commonwealth to force >>>>>>>>> additional development in the decades to come. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I look forward to the continued lively debate among residents and >>>>>>>>> the various working groups, but it feels like there is much more that >>>>>>>>> needs >>>>>>>>> to be explored before we can have a "final" proposal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Will Broughton >>>>>>>>> Round Hill Rd >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 2:32 PM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank goodness you are paying attention Bob! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The HCA feels like a juggernaut and options were clearly favored >>>>>>>>>> towards “all near Lincoln station”. I have a long series of >>>>>>>>>> unanswered >>>>>>>>>> questions. I hope to get answers and publish them all on a >>>>>>>>>> blog/website >>>>>>>>>> that everyone can read. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’ll need help to put it together and get answers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is even slightly concerned about what is happening with >>>>>>>>>> the HCA in Lincoln, please email me privately or text me on >>>>>>>>>> 781.738.1069. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rob A >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 1:30 PM Robert Domnitz < >>>>>>>>>> bobdom...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As a recently-retired member of the Planning Board and Housing >>>>>>>>>>> Choice Act Working Group, I am concerned that the three options >>>>>>>>>>> presented >>>>>>>>>>> last Saturday at the SOTT - and the plan to choose just one of those >>>>>>>>>>> options at a multi-board meeting on October 10th - will restrict >>>>>>>>>>> Town >>>>>>>>>>> Meeting to merely rubber-stamping the HCAWG's decision. And the >>>>>>>>>>> HCAWG's >>>>>>>>>>> decision will reflect its embedded priorities that may differ from >>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>> town meeting would choose if we are given more options. I therefore >>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>> it is crucial for the HCAWG to submit several options to the state >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> advisory opinions prior to Town Meeting. All options should be >>>>>>>>>>> presented to >>>>>>>>>>> Town Meeting for debate and vote. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to expand on some of the points made - and some of the >>>>>>>>>>> points omitted - by the presenters at last Saturday's SOTT meeting. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. *About 35% of the town's residences are currently >>>>>>>>>>> multi-family* (not including Hanscom Field, see list below). >>>>>>>>>>> Most folks are surprised when they hear this. Lincoln has done an >>>>>>>>>>> outstanding job allowing multi-family living while maintaining our >>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>> character. With full build-out under the HCA, multi-family housing >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> approach 50% of the town's inventory. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. *State guidelines for the HCA provide a mechanism for towns >>>>>>>>>>> to **get** credit for existing multifamily housing.* Towns are >>>>>>>>>>> free to locate HCA-compliant subdistricts in areas that currently >>>>>>>>>>> have high >>>>>>>>>>> residential density. These subdistricts will help us meet our >>>>>>>>>>> "quota," even >>>>>>>>>>> though it is very unlikely these areas will be redeveloped. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. *An evaluation of the various options requires consideration >>>>>>>>>>> of the likelihood that redevelopment will **actually **occur.* >>>>>>>>>>> Existing condo developments would require consent of the owners to >>>>>>>>>>> redevelop, with the particular procedures laid out in the >>>>>>>>>>> condominiums' >>>>>>>>>>> organizational documents. If condo owners don't want redevelopment >>>>>>>>>>> to happen, it won't happen. Existing apartment buildings (e.g., >>>>>>>>>>> Oriole Landing) owned by a single entity would only require a >>>>>>>>>>> decision by >>>>>>>>>>> that entity and would depend on their analysis of whether an >>>>>>>>>>> increase in >>>>>>>>>>> density would justify the cost of redevelopment. On the other hand, >>>>>>>>>>> rezoning single family homes on Conant Road as shown in options >>>>>>>>>>> A,B, and C >>>>>>>>>>> from the HCAWG would likely result in rapid redevelopment, as >>>>>>>>>>> owners on Conant Road take advantage of the jump in value that >>>>>>>>>>> would result from the increase in development potential. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 4. *State guidelines require that only 20% of the HCA-compliant >>>>>>>>>>> district be located in the vicinity of the commuter rail station*. >>>>>>>>>>> The other 80% can be anywhere in town. However, the HCAWG eliminated >>>>>>>>>>> consideration of the Farrar Pond and Lincoln Ridge condos as "too >>>>>>>>>>> far from >>>>>>>>>>> any amenities and public transit." See link below to p. 17 of SOTT >>>>>>>>>>> slide >>>>>>>>>>> deck. This area could be used as part of our plan for compliance; >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> HCAWG's decision to eliminate consideration of this area reflects >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> prioritization of access to public transit and goes beyond what the >>>>>>>>>>> state >>>>>>>>>>> requires. Similarly, the Commons/Oriole Landing area was removed >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> consideration by the HCAWG because it is "not walkable to any public >>>>>>>>>>> transit or public amenities." See p. 20 of SOTT slide deck. >>>>>>>>>>> Instead, the >>>>>>>>>>> HCAWG has proposed placing 100% of the district in Lincoln Station >>>>>>>>>>> (option >>>>>>>>>>> C) or adding to option C additional subdistricts in North Lincoln >>>>>>>>>>> so that >>>>>>>>>>> the total development potential greatly exceeds what is necessary >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> compliance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 5. *The HCAWG should consider other ways of splitting the HCA >>>>>>>>>>> district. *The current option C fully complies with the HCA by >>>>>>>>>>> allowing development only within the Lincoln Station area. If >>>>>>>>>>> compliance >>>>>>>>>>> with state law is our objective, options A and B are less appealing >>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>> they needlessly add to option C more development potential >>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in >>>>>>>>>>> town. Among the three options, C is the obvious choice for most >>>>>>>>>>> residents >>>>>>>>>>> because it minimally complies with the HCA. But the Town deserves a >>>>>>>>>>> chance >>>>>>>>>>> to vote on other options that do not exceed the HCA's requirements. >>>>>>>>>>> Three >>>>>>>>>>> options that would make sense are: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Place the entire district at Lincoln Station (current option C) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Place most of the district at Lincoln Station and some of the >>>>>>>>>>> district elsewhere. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Place some of the district at Lincoln Station and most of the >>>>>>>>>>> district elsewhere. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For all options, the details should be worked out for minimal >>>>>>>>>>> compliance with the HCA, giving Lincoln residents maximum control >>>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>> future land use decisions. It's worth noting that the HCA does >>>>>>>>>>> allow, on a >>>>>>>>>>> discretionary basis, subdistrict boundaries that do not match parcel >>>>>>>>>>> boundaries. This may provide the Town with additional flexibility >>>>>>>>>>> it needs >>>>>>>>>>> to comply with, but not exceed, the HCA's requirements. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Residents deserve a meaningful, democratic chance to choose the >>>>>>>>>>> level of development they want in the Lincoln Station area. Due to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> limited set of options that were presented, I don't think the >>>>>>>>>>> survey taken >>>>>>>>>>> at the SOTT is a good indicator of the will of the town. >>>>>>>>>>> Surprisingly, the >>>>>>>>>>> HCAWG did not propose an option where some development allowed >>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in >>>>>>>>>>> Town is used to reduce the development allowed at Lincoln Station. >>>>>>>>>>> All >>>>>>>>>>> three of their options allow more than 400 units of additional >>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>> in the Lincoln Station area. That is an extreme increase compared >>>>>>>>>>> to what >>>>>>>>>>> currently exists in the area. See p. 40 of SOTT slide deck. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My goal in writing this post is to encourage the HCAWG to give >>>>>>>>>>> our Town Meeting the respect and deference to which it is entitled. >>>>>>>>>>> This is >>>>>>>>>>> a hugely important matter for the Town and we can move forward >>>>>>>>>>> together >>>>>>>>>>> only if Town Meeting has a meaningful role as the decisionmaker. >>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>> attend the October 10th multi-board meeting to share your thoughts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards to all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob Domnitz >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> SOTT slide deck: Follow link found in >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Existing multifamily housing in Lincoln (not including Hanscom >>>>>>>>>>> housing): >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Commons >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oriole Landing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Battle Road Farms >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Minuteman Commons >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lincoln Woods >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Greenridge Condos >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Flying Nun" apartments >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ridge Road apartments >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ridge Road Condos >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Todd Pond Condos >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Farrar Pond Condos >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lincoln Ridge Condos >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Estate >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Accessory Apartments in Single Family Homes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Miscellaneous (Scattered sites under Housing Comm.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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