You raise a good point, Gordon. Maybe we *should* give up 2 acre zoning! On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 6:50 PM Gordon Woodington <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, I would keep the level of bike trails at the current level. > > I am against "incrementalism", since step after step it ultimately causes > irreversible loss despite "good intentions" and inertia to reversion is > ultimately insurmountable. > There are many examples in US where different users are separated > physically, to functionally limit interaction without dependence on > "good behavior", without it being "unfair" or whatever the negative > adjective chosen is. > Once the place for and the peace of nature is lost where will humanity > be? We are part of nature, not separate from it. Despite the world's > proclivity, hell bent on destroy the nature that would keep us alive and > well. Destruction little bit by little bit. > > There are plenty of bike trails in and all around Lincoln already. > Might as well give up 2 acre zoning in Lincoln. The arguments really are > not fundamentally different structurally: exclusion to some category of > people. > > Gordon Woodington > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 6:11 PM Andy Wang <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So are people just against bikes at Mt. Misery or bikes in general? >> >> Lincoln has 80+ miles of trails ( >> https://www.lincolntown.org/245/Conservation). The increase of trails >> that are accessible to bikes from 8-19 miles still restricts mountain >> biking to only ~24% of the trails that exist in the town (up from 10%). >> So there are still 61+ miles of trails in the town to explore if you >> REALLY want to avoid mountain bikes. Posts seem to imply that bikes would >> be rampant over all of Lincoln, but that’s not really the proposal that was >> presented. >> >> Andy >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 6:05 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I am a jogger, runner & Nordic skier. >>> >>> I believe that it is always proper etiquette to announce yourself when >>> you are coming up behind someone. The faster you are moving (biking, >>> running, fast paced skiing) the more important it is to announce yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022, 5:58 PM, Gordon Woodington < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> True Johanna, though these ones you mention do not all have the same >>> jarring effect as bikers who never announce themselves or do so way too >>> late and inconsiderately. I was on the trails at Mt. Misery yesterday, >>> and had a nice conversation with a dog walker from Bedford. He comes to >>> Lincoln for it's more quiet, peaceful experience, and less crowded, for >>> both his well behaved dog and himself. Unsolicited, he expressed issuse >>> with "arrogant bikers" as he described them. Our specialness will be lost >>> if Lincoln homogenizes to be the lowest common denominator to be like other >>> towns, if Lincoln helds to this as "the way to go". I pray that Lincoln >>> does not go this way, rather keeps its difference, its diversification, in >>> the face of pressure to lose it. >>> >>> There is history and wisdom in Lincoln about what happened negatively in >>> the past. We should take that all to heart. Not to yield to yet another >>> experiment, one which also had no adequate procedure and funding in place >>> even to evaluate/compensate for the proposed changes. >>> >>> I second Colleen Katsuki's posting wholeheartedly. >>> >>> Gordon Woodington >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 5:40 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> In all of these discussions let’s please not forget joggers, runners, >>> cross-country skiers, & snow shoers… >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022, 5:19 PM, Colleen Katsuki < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I always wait a little to see what everybody has to say before I chime >>> in. My former husband David and I moved to Lincoln in 1994 because of >>> the conservation land. I could track deer out by back door! It was >>> wonderful. David soon joined the conservation commission and served for >>> many years. One issue that came up early was that of dogs off leash at >>> Mount Misery. One off leash dog caused a horse to rear up, fortunately >>> not injuring the rider and other dogs jumped on small children causing >>> them much distress. Because Mount misery has plenty of parking, it was >>> the focus of that discussion. One evening after the con com meeting Dave >>> came home and poured himself stiff one. I said :" They have driven you >>> to drink." And he laughed and said "Yes." In true Lincoln fashion there >>> was much heated discussion, but eventually a good Lincoln compromise was >>> made. Dogs were allowed off leash on certain trails at Mount MIsery and >>> not on others. Of course that issue has never been revisited. >>> >>> >>> I have several thoughts about bikes on trails, and obviously I compare >>> that with dogs off or on leash. With both dogs off leash and bikes, >>> there is a disturbance of the people on foot or on horseback. The >>> walkers do not disturb the off leash dogs or the bicycle riders. The >>> disturbance and lack of comfort caused is one way only : It bothers the >>> walkers. I think that should be strongly considered. If bikes are >>> allowed on all trails, will walkers stop coming? Where would they go if >>> this resource that many have used for years is no longer usable for >>> them? Especially during covid, folks appreciated the solace of nature >>> unimpeded by noise or disturbance. The quietness is too important to be >>> lost, because once it is lost, it will not be returning. I am hopeful >>> that a classic Lincoln compromise can be made limiting bike use to only >>> a few trails. >>> >>> >>> >>> Colleen Katsuki >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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