David,

> That's not a question of wrong or right.

You didn't ask what was wrong or right — you said you had no idea what I would 
CONSIDER to be more right, so I told you.

> It's not at all clear what it should apply to.

Ah, another of your completely unhelpful answers. Thanks.

> Before one even has a notion what "regardless of the grob" is supposed
> to mean, one needs to have an idea what it should apply to.  Grobs don't
> generally are made from markup.

Please rephrase in proper English.

> One person's clearly is another's hand-waving.

Wow. Just wow.

Kieren.
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