Greetings All, In truth, I am quite satisfied with the current state of \relative, whether with or without an absolute pitch indicated before the braces. And yes, I do understand that, though users are at present discouraged from using the latter, both
\relative c' { MUSIC } and \relative { MUSIC } yield the same result. But why, after all, is the latter meant to be deprecated? Do not the docs, in explaining the placement of pitch `c', use middle C as a point of reference - as in, an octave below middle C? And so, if the proposed change is implemented, my mental process of assigning or interpreting \relative fis'' { MUSIC } or \relative { fis'' MORE MUSIC } invariably remains the same - that is, calculate the placement of said pitch located two octaves and a raised fourth above the C which is one octave below middle C. (This is why the deprecated syntax is so useful; it is more direct, eliminating a step in the calculation.) I also share and echo reservations about mixing the purpose of commas and apostrophes within the \relative braces themselves. This may be a subtle distinction, but I cannot agree that, in the case of \relative { fis'' MORE MUSIC } that `fis''' is an absolute pitch. Yes, its placement is firmly established, but only as it is *relative* to `c'. In which case, why not leave the \relative situation as currently is, where the one true absolute pitch of `c' (which, incidentally, is as arbitrary as any other pitch) is invoked as a function of calling \relative in the first place and is then used immediately - that is, before the braces - in establishing a different reference point as desired by the user? Hwaen Ch'uqi _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user