Are either Flattr or Bitcoin possible good alternatives?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> wrote:

> Christ van Willegen <cvwille...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Janek Warchoł
> > <janek.lilyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net>
> wrote:
> >>> From experience, PayPal is very easy to use to send money to
> >>> someone in Europe.
> >>> The currency exchange is automatic, although I don't know what the
> >>> recipient fees are.
> >>
> >> According to their website it's between 0 and 4% +0,3$ depending on
> >> payment method and country.
> >
> > Ouch, that's quite steep!
> >
> > David, since you live in .de, you probably also have a bank account
> > there. If you list the IBAN (and other info) somewhere, in .eu bank
> > transfers are free of fees...
>
> Only in the Euro zone, and they are not _free_ of fee but just can't
> exceed the fees for national transfers.
>
> A recent contributor from France discovered that his bank took €3
> according to its conditions.  But it would have done so as well within
> France.  Now while I have my doubts that a bank with that sort of
> condition for a fundamental operation would be competitive (and so I
> consider it somewhat likely that there was some mistake involved), I
> think that would not be against EU regulations: you can charge all you
> want for a SEPA bank transfer as long as you are gouging your customers
> the same in-country.
>
> As a rule, contributors in the Euro zone have found transfer costs zero
> or small.  This obviously excludes the UK, and fees for bank transfers
> from there are somewhere around the £10 figure or more, namely
> prohibitive.  Fees might vary according to bank, but so far people have
> found that what Paypal skims off is the lesser evil.
>
> I will not list my bank data publicly but give it out on request.  This
> is my private account and I need to be able to track the source of
> incoming money.  The account also is not specific to LilyPond but to
> myself, so if I quit working on LilyPond on a donation basis, I need to
> be able to contact everyone who has contributed so far, and don't want
> to continue having this account be the target for LilyPond based
> contributions.
>
> A publicly listed account number would require a _dedicated_ account,
> one which one can close down when the purpose is no longer in place.
> Fees for such a non-personal account, namely a business account, are
> considerably higher.
>
> Basically it is the same story all over: if you do things "properly",
> everybody working the pipeline feels entitled to a more substantial
> share.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>
>
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