On 8/26/06, Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Trevor Bača wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any experience successfully embedding lily pdf output > in InDesign? > > I start by creating a new InDesign doc and then placing the > lily-generated pdf in the InDesign doc. Just to test I then export as > pdf, and the results are pretty bad. Staff lines, ledger lines, beams > and hairpins show up fine; but all noteheads, accidentals, and text > are missing. My conclusion is that all font elements are missing (the > cheese fonts for the music elemen ts, and New Century Schoolbook for > the text).That's strange. Does it work when you install the LilyPond fonts into Windows/MacOS ? > So is there anyone out there putting lily-generated pdfs into InDesign > successfully? > > (I would prefer to keep everything in lily, but using any fonts in > lily at all other than New Century Schoolbook causes explosions when I > send the pdf to the printers.) That's strange. What platform are you on? The lily and NCSB aren't any special.
Hi Graham, Han-Wen & Henning, I've been digging around the last couple of nights trying to get lily-generated PDFs (or EPS) to show up in InDesign correctly. And I'm now in a position to answer comments: Han-Wen wrote: HW > That's strange. What platform are you on? The lily and NCSB aren't any special. OS X Intel with 2.9.16 HW > That's strange. Does it work when you install the LilyPond fonts into Windows/MacOS ? Ah, I think this is what I'm messing up. I've been trying to install the LilyPond fonts into OS X and it's proving to be *very* difficult. I've mentioned my installation attempts in a thread Kieren started in February (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-02/msg00400.html) but the short of the matter is that using OS X's FontBook to install the several different sizes of Emmentaler has been frustrating. FontBook shows all the sizes as being there, but InDesign will recognize (and display in its Font menu) only 4 or 5 of the sizes. If I delete all the Emmentaler fonts from the whatever/Fonts folder to which FontBook writes, and then reinstall, then InDesign will see all the sizes *until I quit InDesign and restart*, at which point InDesign believes there're only 4 or 5 sizes again. Grrr ... On the other hand, NCSB installed perfectly and InDesign sees it and renders all lily NCSB text correctly all the time. So what are "the" LilyPond fonts? NCSB together with the Emmentaler and Feta collections only? Or are there more? Also, are there instructions anywhere on installing the LilyPond fonts under OS X? Graham wrote: GP > Didn't we discuss this a few days ago on -devel? ... at least, did you follow all the steps that were suggested for .eps files? There's even a doc section (14.8) about this issue, but it's not online yet. GP> I think that lilypond -dno-gs-font-load should do what you want. Yes, Graham's definitely right here. lilypond -dno-gs-font-load (and Han-Wen's other pointer to -deps-font-include) *do* definitely embed the lilypond fonts into the PDF or EPS as grepping the output file's with grep's -a option shows (or even just using vim to nose around in the files and look for BeginFont). But even with the lily fonts embedded, InDesign refuses to recognize some of the fonts and does really ugly things (see pair of attachments). Henning wrote: FV > I regularly use LilyPond PDFs with InDesign (CS, CS2) and ConTeXt and never had problems with those. This gives me hope. But take a look at the attachments. The "before.png" shows a bit of a lily-generated pdf as it comes out of lily. Perfect. The "after.png" shows what happens when I place the lily-generated pdf into InDesign and then export back out of InDesign to make a new pdf. Yuck. It looks like the lines (staff lines, ledger lines, tuplet brackets) are aligned according to one pattern, while (some but not all of) the noteheads, the time signatures, and the tuplet numbers and simply aligned according to some entirely different pattern. (There's no musical transposition here; InDesign seems to be shifting the noteheads in the "after.png" down and to the right, even though it kinda looks like things have transposed down a third.) I'm assuming what *must* be going on here is that InDesign simply isn't seeing some of the LilyPond fonts (like certain sizes of the Emmentaler set) and so is substituting in a really ugly way. So maybe what I really need help with is figuring out how to install "the" LilyPond fonts under OS X. (This is so frustrating because all I want to do with InDesign is add skewed, kerned text for the title and composer on the front page! I guess I should just build the title text in InDesign, save as EPS, and then import into lily ...) -- Trevor Bača [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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